Curse

oresteez · Jan 15, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

So what's better?
stone reaper which is 20/20 with a +1 curses-20%

or wand and focus...i have a wand giving me 10% with I think HCT, and the focus has 20/20

I only have prophecies, but would i be able to give mats and gold to someone with factions and have them go to one of the weaponsmiths and buy me a 20/20 wand...? would i then be able to use it? if so, i'd have 40/40 curses...then the question is what is better... 40/40 or 20/20 +1

btw, this is ignoring +energy, hp mods, etc...

sixofone · Jan 15, 2008, 03:52 PM // 15:52

As long as the wepon isn't customized then it can be sold/traded and used by anyone else.

Khasar · Jan 15, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

There is a prophecies trader that has a 20 HSR curse wand outside TotA.

boogerboy72 · Jan 15, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

i run a 20/20 wand and 20/20 focus. i wont run anything else unless its a specialty need, ie, longer enchanting ect..

Utaku · Jan 15, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Whisp me ingame if you want me to craft factions weapons for you: utaku mu dan. If you don't feel secure, you can just give me the money and materials, and i'll give you my current wand.

Olim Chill · Jan 15, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Quote:

then the question is what is better... 40/40 or 20/20 +1

I'm a fan of the 40/40 set and think it's the most beneficial overall.

stanza · Jan 15, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

The stonereaper also does dark damage which wont trigger spinal shivers should u ever want to use it, collector curses staves do cold damage.

Longasc · Jan 15, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

+20% chance for +1 curses does not kick. What does it add, it is even less useful than sundering.
2x 20% chance (36%) chance for half recharge or casting time is more beneficial IMO.

My sets:

1. 20/20 Wand & 20/20 Focus
2. +15/-1 Wand & +15/-1 Focus (High Energy Set)
3. +60 HP Staff, +5^50 energy (in case of high DP or just to make you a less attractive target, Soul Reaping based)
4. +5, +5^50 +20% Staff (SR, for orders etc.)

I switch mostly between set 1 and 2.

Also check if your weapon does cold or dark damage when you use spinal shivers, as people already mentioned.

You can send a friend to Factions to craft you a 20/20 wand, a 20/20 focus can be got from a collector. The Wailing Wand will not be customized when you buy it, so this is no problem.

Pyro maniac · Jan 15, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longasc

2x 20% chance (36%) chance for half recharge or casting time is more beneficial IMO.

it's actually 40/36, but nvm on that ..

40/40 is just good, may want to have a spear/sword/axe with 20% enchant for spamming orders etc (or just use a soul reaping staff with 20% just like ^ )

Chthon · Jan 15, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Dual 20/20 is pretty much the way to go for curse builds.

I tend to look at it this way:
1. Several of the best skills in the curse line have 2 sec cast time and/or 15ish recharge. Knocking either of those down helps a lot.
2. You have soul reaping. You do not need the extra 3-8 maximum e you could get with other weapon configurations very much.
3. Unlike death magic, 17 is not an important breakpoint for curses. The +1 curses mod is not very useful.

Utaku already offered to make you a wand at cost. If you can't find Utaku, I'd make you one too.

As for the stonereaper, it's an easy farm and a decent item for master of whispers if you don't feel like spending 5k+ to equip your heroes with optimal gear.

btw: Both HCT and HSR stack multiplicatively, so that's:
64% normal, 32% half, and 4% quarter.
And that's the way it works for CAST time.
However, faster recharge is capped at 50%, so, whenever you roll a quarter recharge time, the cap kicks in and it becomes a half instead. Thus, RECHARGE is effectively:
64% normal, 36% half.

Rennis the White · Jan 15, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

I usually use a
Wailing Wand with HSR Curses (20%) and +15 energy -1 energy regen
and a Bone Idol with HSR and HCR curses both 20%

oresteez · Jan 15, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

awesome answers, thanks everyone

very nice of 2 of you to craft me one, i'll add you to my friends and look for you in game...

I picked up a 20/20 focus from a collector, and was looking for a wand to give me the other 20/20...then someone was giving away a stonereaper in ascalon last night, which is what got me thinking about what is better....

dicecube · Jan 17, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

crap ive been using the stonereaper for months lol
alright i want dual 20/20 wand and focus now

Artor Bobani Kiroz in Altrumm Ruins crafts the 20/20 focus
who crafts the wand?
cant find it on wiki, i have all campaigns btw
TIA

Keekles · Jan 17, 2008, 04:13 AM // 04:13

In Leviathan Pits or vasburg Armory the weapon smiths should be able to make both. (At least I remember them being able to...)

Coloneh · Jan 17, 2008, 04:18 AM // 04:18

something similar to Wayward Wand (curses) and Villnar's Glove.

double 20 recharges.
+1 curse.
+5 energy.

what more could you want?

O Nuxtofulakas · Jan 18, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

[QUOTE=Longasc]

My sets:

1. 20/20 Wand & 20/20 Focus
2. +15/-1 Wand & +15/-1 Focus (High Energy Set)
[QUOTE]

/signed.
these are the 2 sets i also use most of the times

boogerboy72 · Jan 18, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20

this is also a very good one, http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Modti%27s_Depravation

not complete 40 40 but close

Moloch Vein · Jan 18, 2008, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Actually I do feel that Curses+1/20 is worth it in PvE. 20% chance to a 1 stronger SS or IP or whatever beats a second chance for HCT for me.

Jagged · Jan 18, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Can someone link to the Collector that has the 20/20 wand and 20/20 focus? I'm not sure what i'm looking for on Wiki.

Utaku · Jan 18, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Crafters to get the wand (and focus if you want to pay)
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Telamon
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Gertrud

Curse 20/20 focus collectors:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Artor_Bobani_Kiroz (factions)
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Goran_Grimyak (prophecies)