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Old Jan 15, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56   #21
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i wonder if conjure x works well with this build due to the extremely high attack speed
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Old Jan 15, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51   #22
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That would do it, I don't customise my weapons. I will go home and do that and add in cracked armor, but just doing rough calculations in my head I know it will push it over the 200dmg mark. Thanks for the clerification.
It's also good when using high energy skills as you get a lot of energy back fast
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Old Jan 15, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37   #23
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I use Locust for just messing around or when fighting lower AL mobs. It is great fun when you boost your Crit. and use Agility. Even more fun with a vamp. weapon (just remember to switch out when not in battle).

However, I almost never use Locust when I'm doing harder missions and dungeons. Moebius spam is much better for killing large groups (even bosses) quickly and efficiently. Oh... but I do use Locust to solo Shiro in Factions though, both in NM and HM.

I don't really like Unsuspecting Strike. Sure, it was nice as a newbie Sin, but it's recast time is too high for my liking. I know you say you use it to kill bosses and what not, but still, it's not as effective as say Jagged Strike.

Oh, and don't mind idiot trolls like Coloneh... people like him are only here to try and piss others off and to derail threads, offering nothing to discussions. So just ignore him and others like him.

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Old Jan 15, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55   #24
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The damage output is supreme, and can output over 200 damage in under 2-3 seconds.(Edit: This is from just attacking, not using any attack skills).
under 2-3 seconds!!!! thats a lie, becuase with locusts fury and crit agility, in 2 seconds ou could hit max 4 times.......50 damage a shot with daggers?
3 seconds and 6 shots, 33.333333 damage per shot, plausible if you crit every time i guess......

these both are with double striking every time.

autoing can't do that much unless you are buffed a lot, which your build soen't do. daggers are 7-17 damage, then you factor in AL and weapon mastery.

o, and you have locusts fury with no on-hit damage buffs, not good


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Old Jan 15, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11   #25
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I tried the build and did the math just to make sure, and Titan is not too far off on the 200dmg in 2-3 seconds. On a 60 armor level target the most I was getting was 150 +-5 just from auto attacking, this is if every attack is a critical and you get dual attacks every time. This is with Locust's Fury, Critical Eye and Critical Agility. Add in a Vampiric Weapon and you get another 13 total damage, 173 total. So if you manage to get
double post sorry, but i just saw this and i had to say something.
sure, if you use vampric on a 60 Al target, there is a CHANCE you might get CLOSE to 200 damage, but in guild wars, the only areas that matter have mobs of over lvl 20, with between 60- 120 armour against physical.

lets say you are fighting lvl 24 afflicted, if you hit for 200 damage on the 60Al target in 3 seconds, you would hit for around 109 damage, which in optimal conditions could kill the afflicted in about 13.5 seconds.....to slow.


so maybe your build works up to the lvl 20 areas, but anything works there so don't feel special, DB spam murders all in sin-pve.


calculations done assuming that.....

-you hit 200 damage to the 60AL target in 3 seconds
-lvl 24 afflicted warrior has 110 AL against physical (out of factions guide), and 500 health.

ofc, you couldn't quite get up to 200 damage on the 60AL, and you have no armour ignoring damage from attacks.
Great e-managment though!!!
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 02:02 AM // 02:02   #26
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I use Locust for just messing around or when fighting lower AL mobs. It is great fun when you boost your Crit. and use Agility. Even more fun with a vamp. weapon (just remember to switch out when not in battle).

However, I almost never use Locust when I'm doing harder missions and dungeons. Moebius spam is much better for killing large groups (even bosses) quickly and efficiently. Oh... but I do use Locust to solo Shiro in Factions though, both in NM and HM.

I don't really like Unsuspecting Strike. Sure, it was nice as a newbie Sin, but it's recast time is too high for my liking. I know you say you use it to kill bosses and what not, but still, it's not as effective as say Jagged Strike.

Oh, and don't mind idiot trolls like Coloneh... people like him are only here to try and piss others off and to derail threads, offering nothing to discussions. So just ignore him and others like him.
Thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE Criticism, I'll have a go at changing my Lead attack and locusts fury to Moebius and see how it goes, and I'll get back to you.


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under 2-3 seconds!!!! thats a lie, becuase with locusts fury and crit agility, in 2 seconds ou could hit max 4 times.......50 damage a shot with daggers?
3 seconds and 6 shots, 33.333333 damage per shot, plausible if you crit every time i guess......

these both are with double striking every time.

autoing can't do that much unless you are buffed a lot, which your build soen't do. daggers are 7-17 damage, then you factor in AL and weapon mastery.

o, and you have locusts fury with no on-hit damage buffs, not good


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Un-constructive criticism and I'm not going to give you much of my time, On hit damage buffs? Oh yes they would last long if I'm attack 4 times in 2 seconds, didn't really think that through did you?

Maybe 2-3 seconds was a tiny bit inaccurate but not by far, Have you ever used Cracked armor with Customized weps? Oh and, I also had soul barbs on the Target, I forgot my necro had them aswell.


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double post sorry, but i just saw this and i had to say something.
sure, if you use vampric on a 60 Al target, there is a CHANCE you might get CLOSE to 200 damage, but in guild wars, the only areas that matter have mobs of over lvl 20, with between 60- 120 armour against physical.

lets say you are fighting lvl 24 afflicted, if you hit for 200 damage on the 60Al target in 3 seconds, you would hit for around 109 damage, which in optimal conditions could kill the afflicted in about 13.5 seconds.....to slow.


so maybe your build works up to the lvl 20 areas, but anything works there so don't feel special, DB spam murders all in sin-pve.


calculations done assuming that.....

-you hit 200 damage to the 60AL target in 3 seconds
-lvl 24 afflicted warrior has 110 AL against physical (out of factions guide), and 500 health.

ofc, you couldn't quite get up to 200 damage on the 60AL, and you have no armour ignoring damage from attacks.
Great e-managment though!!!
Hopefully one day people will actually go and try out this build, then rate it.

Rather then read guides and just think they are right.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 04:11 AM // 04:11   #27
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Monks shouldn't bring res, people should bring res signets.
lol

As for the build Unsuspecting Strike is FTL in PvE.

2-3/10.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 04:31 AM // 04:31   #28
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Death Blossom and Moebius still own a little more than this.

Depending on the amount of enemies nearby, you can deal well over 200 with one DB, it's like, 90 per enemy, so if it's more than 2 enemies, Moebius is better than this build.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27   #29
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All I've seen you do this thread is troll like you have no purpose in this world, so I've gone ahead and just reported you as all you are doing is just trolling a thread.
good luck with that.
your build stills sucks.
your still wrong.
im still right.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 10:52 AM // 10:52   #30
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good luck with that.
your build stills sucks.
your still wrong.
im still right.
QFT

Soz but he/she speaks the truth.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32   #31
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Maybe 2-3 seconds was a tiny bit inaccurate but not by far, Have you ever used Cracked armor with Customized weps? Oh and, I also had soul barbs on the Target, I forgot my necro had them aswell.


Rather then read guides and just think they are right.
Nice of you to "accidentally" forget it in the original post then rage when people questioned it. From the OP it sounded like you were talking about by yourself..

So imo they were right to point out the faults, because you never fully told us the buffs/debuffs on you and your target..

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Old Jan 16, 2008, 02:07 PM // 14:07   #32
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lol

As for the build Unsuspecting Strike is FTL in PvE.

2-3/10.

And the suggestion for a replacement move is?

I replaced it with Jagged at the second.

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Death Blossom and Moebius still own a little more than this.

Depending on the amount of enemies nearby, you can deal well over 200 with one DB, it's like, 90 per enemy, so if it's more than 2 enemies, Moebius is better than this build.

I'm now using Moebius and It's working really well, Having a few energy problems every now and then but It's a fairly nice damage output


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good luck with that.
your build stills sucks.
your still wrong.
im still right.
Wow, some ego you have there, I'm going to take a few seconds to think about you're opinion then totally disregard it and just report you again.


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Nice of you to "accidentally" forget it in the original post then rage when people questioned it. From the OP it sounded like you were talking about by yourself..

So imo they were right to point out the faults, because you never fully told us the buffs/debuffs on you and your target..

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Yes, I'll admit my faults, here we go, I'm sorry I would have thought that most people on this board would have wanted to get the most out of there weapons, I used my own personal view to affect my OP, so now I'm admitting my faults and saying I should of said I use Customized weps + Cracked armor.


Also, I'm hardly raging at people that gave Constructive cristism, I'm raging at people that gave none at all and just trolled on my thread.

And no, they aren't pointing out faults, they are just trolling and saying "UNSEPECTING SUXXXXX" While giving me no advice on what to change it to.

So now, really, who's in the wrong here?
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30   #33
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Wow, some ego you have there, I'm going to take a few seconds to think about you're opinion then totally disregard it and just report you again.
abusing the report feature is a good way to get banned yourself. the reasons that your build is not good have been explained to you. if you cant take criticism and improve you build, good luck. you fail.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42   #34
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I don't really see the problem with unsuspecting: the recharge on that is tiny. It's the e-usage that's a problem, and that's only a problem when you're actually regularly doing the whole L-O-D spam.

If you're using it with moebius-assisted dual-attack spam, it's a great opener, since it helps get your target down below 50% slightly quicker.

And in this case, with locust's and zealous daggers, e-management probably isn't a problem, so the e-usage is ok.

However, bear in mind it IS only a one-trick pony: if you're using it on the same target more than once, you're doing it wrong: the 'non-super healthy target' bonus damage is nowhere near worth 10 energy.

Also, bear in mind that it's easy to get away with almost anything when you have 3 healers on the team: sins have a tendency to tax healers a LOT if they're not careful, so you might want to put critical defenses in there. It really helps if you're doing the PvE pseudo-tanking sin playstyle.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59   #35
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I don't really like Unsuspecting Strike. Sure, it was nice as a newbie Sin, but it's recast time is too high for my liking. I know you say you use it to kill bosses and what not, but still, it's not as effective as say Jagged Strike.
unsuspecting strike has a recharge of 2 seconds...what are you on about? i think you mean it has a high energy cost
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32   #36
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abusing the report feature is a good way to get banned yourself. the reasons that your build is not good have been explained to you. if you cant take criticism and improve you build, good luck. you fail.
You aren't cristicsing, you are just posting random crap, and just cause harassment.

You've yet to provide 1 bit of helpful information in this entire thread.

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I don't really see the problem with unsuspecting: the recharge on that is tiny. It's the e-usage that's a problem, and that's only a problem when you're actually regularly doing the whole L-O-D spam.

If you're using it with moebius-assisted dual-attack spam, it's a great opener, since it helps get your target down below 50% slightly quicker.

And in this case, with locust's and zealous daggers, e-management probably isn't a problem, so the e-usage is ok.

However, bear in mind it IS only a one-trick pony: if you're using it on the same target more than once, you're doing it wrong: the 'non-super healthy target' bonus damage is nowhere near worth 10 energy.

Also, bear in mind that it's easy to get away with almost anything when you have 3 healers on the team: sins have a tendency to tax healers a LOT if they're not careful, so you might want to put critical defenses in there. It really helps if you're doing the PvE pseudo-tanking sin playstyle.

Make more posts like this then I'll stop reporting you.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57   #37
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I replaced it with Jagged at the second.

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So now, really, who's in the wrong here?
@ Jagged

Answer: you

Try Golden Fox Strike. If you're hell-bent on using LF you might as well take advantage of it as much as possible.
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51   #38
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@ Jagged

Answer: you

Try Golden Fox Strike. If you're hell-bent on using LF you might as well take advantage of it as much as possible.

I'm using Moebius now and since I've moved into EOTN my 3 priests aren't focusing on me anymore, so I can't be 100% sure I'll have an enchantment up at all times (Aware critical agility is an Enchantment but it might not be up at all times.)

Another question: How am I in the wrong? (Thanks for Constructive criticisms)
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I'm using Moebius now and since I've moved into EOTN my 3 priests aren't focusing on me anymore, so I can't be 100% sure I'll have an enchantment up at all times (Aware critical agility is an Enchantment but it might not be up at all times.)
No matter. GFS will still hit normally if you are bereft of enchants, with normal bonus damage -----> viable lead attack.

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Another question: How am I in the wrong? (Thanks for Constructive criticisms)
b/o Jagged Strike. Bleeding (crap degen) + no bonus damage = Teh Fail.

Oh and on Moebius-Blossom being energy intensive: [skill]critical strike[/skill]
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Old Jan 16, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07   #40
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I'm sure there are a lot of threads about this here and where, but let's make a new one.
No...there isn't threads exactly like this...

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My build as a A/N

Consists of.

Unsuspecting Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom
Twisting fangs
Locust's fury
Critical Agility
Shadow Refuge
Critical Eye.
Unsuspecting is bad, costs 10 energy, EXTREMELY conditional.
Wild strike is ftw.
Death Blossom is ftw.
TF is ftw.
Locust's Fury sucks.
Critical Agility is ftw.
Shadow Refuge is meh.
Critical Eye is meh.


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Now, My question really is to rate it, I'm using Everthorn's Chaks.

I've been blitzing through everything, I'm normally only taken 2-3 healers with me (2 Hero 1 Hench) and done every mission.
It's PvE...not much of an accomplishment, and 3 healers = wtf?

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As I go into a battle I activate Locust's fury Critical agility and Critical eye, Energy is never a problem, but I'm relying heavily on these enchantment for this build.
Locusts Fury is bad, get rid of it for moebius strike.

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The damage output is supreme, and can output over 200 damage in under 2-3 seconds.(Edit: This is from just attacking, not using any attack skills).
Yeah, and i can do 5 billion damage in 0.000000000001 seconds...
Auto-attacking for 200 damage isn't possible unless you're versus REALLY weak enemies.
And under 2-3 seconds? wth...? It isn't a spike build...

On a scale of 1 to 10, i would say 0...the "200 damage in 2-3 secs" thing made me go funny.
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