Curse

Draginvry · Jan 16, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28

I don't like it solely because it is really only usefull on warriors and dervs, and practically useless on anyone else. If I'm taking damage on my necro, I'm going to be running to shake of my opponents, not trying to cast spells to trigger a weak VS.

Basically, VS is only good on characters who will be spamming attacks consistently. It doesn't help anybody who needs to use a lot of mobility in battle, or anyone with long casting spells.

Biostem · Jan 16, 2008, 04:31 AM // 04:31

There are a few "basic" skills you need on a healing monk; a direct heal that recharges quickly is important, as is readily available condition and hex removal. Other than that, you want a rez and the other slots are open. While in no way perfect, here's a build I often put on my hero monks:

[skill]healing whisper[/skill][skill]vigorous spirit[/skill][skill]healing seed[/skill][skill]healing breeze[/skill][skill]empathic removal[/skill][skill]signet of devotion[/skill][skill]reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]resurrection chant[/skill]

Now, depending upon that hero's rating in divine favor, I may swap:

signet of devotion for [skill]signet of rejuvenation[/skill]

I may also get rid of empathic removal, have separate condition & hex removal skills, then add a different elite like [skill]healer's boon[/skill] or [skill]word of healing[/skill]

System_Crush · Jan 16, 2008, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biostem

There are a few "basic" skills you need on a healing monk;
[skill]healing breeze[/skill]
Is NOT one of them, definitely after you pass level 10!

Fixed if for ya, though that build needs some serious attention to end up remotely ok, how much protection prayers are you using? Not a lot I imagine, as you are using only [skill=text]Reversal of Fortune[/skill] which is actually pretty poor at low protection, compared to other protection spells.

Also if you are going to use Vigorous, replace breeze with [skill=text]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill], they just go well together.

As for the spamming of attacks, swords and axes attack once every 1.33 seconds(though most people use IAS) many spells have a cast time of 1 second, many monk spells have less.
Technically if you are a healing spammer Vigorous should heal you for 200 or more health even without the divine favor bonus from the initial cast.

LouAl · Jan 16, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I used it fairly recently (on a Hero in 4-person HM) and it worked pretty well.

When combined with Healer's Boon, it does somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 points per action which cleans up most of the incidental damage that you encounter. This leaves your main attention and healing to those that really need it. Also, people aren't usually lower than 100% health when they aren't being mobbed, which makes it easier to survive a spike when it comes. Plus, you can use Dwayna's Kiss on the same bar with Spotless Soul, Patient Spirit, a direct heal, and some utility.

Seemed to do pretty well, 30 hp ever 1.5 seconds or so is not bad, but it's definitely not the best thing in the world.

Tab · Jan 16, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

AFAIK, Healer's Boon doesn't affect it.

LouAl · Jan 16, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

hmmm, you could be right...I was also using life attune for some of teh stuff and easily could have switched them in my head

meh, either way, it is still not the best thing in the world, but still not horrible

Joshie0808 · Jan 17, 2008, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Wellll
Healing breeze sucks like stated above, after you pass level 10. Even with the buff to its duration (15s now i think, before it was 10s). Regeneration is usually pretty crappy in high level PvE, where foes WAYYY out dmg the regeneration of healing breeze or any other regen = a waste of energy because you need to use another straight heal on top of breeze.

Also back to vigorous spirit, yes its great to take if you have lots of physicals in the party. However, warriors are generally not the best to cast it on, and you may also reconsider bringing it if all you have in your party are warriors. Generally, I usually bring it when there are scythe dervs, or even better, Barrage rangers in the party.

Someone said eariler that HL > WoH?
HL has.. energy management. But medium heal capability and slow(er) recharge.

Using WoH, you get spike healing power, fast(er) recharge, faster cast times.
The fact that WoH more than doubles the healing of HL if condition is met makes it MUCH more viable than healing light. E-management can be done through other means too.. GoLE, inspiration magic (mesmer 2ndary), or just good monking technique and not spamming heals/overlapping heals.

Angel Puriel · Jan 22, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Vigrorous Spirit works best on Assassins, followed by Dervishes and Warriors. Just about 90% of Assassins in PvE will be using Critical Agility (+33% IAS), while the other 10% either doesn't have it (newbie Sin/no NF) or are just retarded. Keep this on an Assassin and you'll almost never have to worry about healing them, especially if they have a self-heal of their own.

Other than using it on Sins, Wars, and Dervs, VS is a good pre-buff, cover enchant, and trigger for certain heals that require target to be enchanted. You don't use VS to heal people when they've already lost health or low on health, but I think everyone already knows this obvious fact.

Tyla · Jan 22, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

I think it's ugly....+10 regen style heal, me no liek.
And it depends on ias/casting spams.
Only use I would have is a cover enchant.

Grammar · Jan 22, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angel Puriel

You don't use VS to heal people when they've already lost health or low on health, but I think everyone already knows this obvious fact.

Heroes don't. Maybe they didn't get the memo.

Pure God Alaina · Jan 27, 2008, 08:51 AM // 08:51

I Personally dont use vigorous spirit i prefer to use patient spirit ,as it can also be used as a cover enchantment with a nice heal : ))

blurmedia · Jan 27, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

http://i19.tinypic.com/89vobw5.jpg
It must be good! (img stolen from QQ forums ;d)

Age · Jan 27, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

It is not so bad on tankings Eles as well although I don't use it that often.

deluxe · Jan 28, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

I'm loving the skill, it fits nicely in a build with a lot of physicals. (paragons, warriors etc.) It also makes a lot of hexes a lot less lethal. Spiteful 33-19=14

And offcourse, it's an awesome cheap cover

NamelessBeauty · Jan 28, 2008, 07:23 PM // 19:23

Vig spirit is not good for caster but it's uber for DPS char such as Para, W, Sin or Derv. Last 30 sec, 19 heal at 14 Healing Prayer. You end up healing more than anything in this game over time from just 5 energy.

Assuming a sin attacking non-stop with an attack boost skill. 30x19 = 570 heal. That's insane lol! Full bar for just 5 energy.

JDRyder · Feb 01, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

i hated the skill for a long time but now Lod is gone for the most part it can be used as some what of a party heal, just keep it on your self and melee classes/rangers. A build i started using after i saw it in a [sup] match is

healing 12+1+1
divine 12+1

vigorous spirit
dwayna's kiss
Patient spirit
divine intervention
healers covent
spotless soul
spotless mind
contemplation of purity

works good in this build

[DE] · Feb 01, 2008, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty

Vig spirit is not good for caster but it's uber for DPS char such as Para, W, Sin or Derv. Last 30 sec, 19 heal at 14 Healing Prayer. You end up healing more than anything in this game over time from just 5 energy.

Assuming a sin attacking non-stop with an attack boost skill. 30x19 = 570 heal. That's insane lol! Full bar for just 5 energy.

No.

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NamelessBeauty · Feb 03, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDRyder

i hated the skill for a long time but now Lod is gone for the most part it can be used as some what of a party heal, just keep it on your self and melee classes/rangers. A build i started using after i saw it in a [sup] match is

healing 12+1+1
divine 12+1

vigorous spirit
dwayna's kiss
Patient spirit
divine intervention
healers covent
spotless soul
spotless mind
contemplation of purity

works good in this build

Hmm, wat a build, I gotta watch more GvG match to see this build!

To "The Phantom": What do you mean by no? It's the calculation of the healing effect till Vig Spirit expire (assuming all conditions are met.)

Biostem · Feb 03, 2008, 02:49 AM // 02:49

I don't want to come across as naive, but after you've covered the bases of a lump-healing spell, a rez, and condition/hex removal, you are still left w/ a few skill slots to fill. If for no other reason, the fairly long duration, low energy cost, and decent effect, make [skill]vigorous spirit[/skill] a good choice as a filler.