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Jan 09, 2008, 04:14 PM // 16:14
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2007
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Any suggestions for these builds?
Hey there, I've been tinkering with Necromancers for over two years now. Lately, with some new skills released, I've been tinkering with some new necromancer builds. I'll try and post them below and I would like some honest feed back on them.
Toxic Miasma (PvE/PvP) 6 - Curses 10 - Soul Reaping 12 - Death Magic [skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Toxic Chill[/skill][skill]Vile Miasma[/skill][skill]Deathly Chill[/skill][skill]Putrid Explosion[/skill][skill]Consume Corpse[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] Scales of Grenth(PvE) 12 - Death Magic 12 - Soul Reaping [skill]Bitter Chill[/skill][skill]Rotting Flesh[/skill][skill]Vile Miasma[/skill][skill]Well of Suffering[/skill][skill]Taste of Pain[/skill][skill]Grenth's Balance[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] Feast of Suffering(PvE) 12 - Curses 12 - Soul Reaping [skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill][skill]Desecrate Enchantments[/skill][skill]Suffering[/skill][skill]Feast of Corruption[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] Grenth's Reaper(PvE/PvP) 12 - Curses 12 - Soul Reaping [skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Insidious Parasite[/skill][skill]Desecrate Enchantments[/skill][skill]Well of Weariness[/skill][skill]Reaper's Mark[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] The res signets can be swapped out for other ressurections or for other skills. But its the other skills that really make the build. Looking forward to some fead back. |
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Jan 09, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tripping in Holland
Guild: My guild died :`(
Profession: N/
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12/11/6 or 12/10/8 The build has excess energy management, the only skill that use more energy than it has recharge time is [skill=text]Putrid Explosion[/skill] the energy expense of this build can probably be covered by just [skill=text]Consume Corpse[/skill] along with the base SR. I don't like SoLS with less than 13 SR because I suck at using it, if you are better at micromanaging foes their health, by all means use it. Not warping into the middle of a group of assassins is a pretty decent start towards survivor. Also there are no 'lately' released skills in here(GWEN) what about using a death magic based cover hex? [wiki]Putrid Bile[/wiki] Quote:
This one causes more degen and spreads it around better too, while at high health. While at low health it can deal direct damage and recover quickly. As long as you don't waste too much energy on spamming 1 thing or the the other I guess it is alright. Quote:
Also this build has [skill=text]Suffering[/skill] as a AoE hex but it also has [skill=text]Faintheartedness[/skill]... why? Use [skill=text]Shadow of Fear[/skill]/[skill=text]Meekness[/skill] to pretty much cover both in 1 skill, or if you want degen, go with [skill=text]Ulcerous Lungs[/skill] and a hero/teammate that inflicts bleeding. This one has less degen than the others, deals less damage because it's direct damage recharges are slow, it's pretty bad. Quote:
Not with [skill=text]Well of Weariness[/skill], what is that supposed to do anyway? all PvE mobs have like 50 energy and in PvP people will just not step in it because unlike mobs (some of the ) people have brains. ============================================= All in all, the builds get a failing grade. The Dead Weight(Scales of Grenth) build might have use somewhere, I'd mess with it a little, it should be useful in places foes get tunneled like "In defense of the eye" in which case bringing [skill=text]Putrid Explosion[/skill] is a good idea. You are trying to play the necro as an elementalist or illusion mesmer or something, Your builds have a clear split between spike skills and defense skills, for a good blood spike your healing is at least 50% of your damage. For a curser the key word is crowd control, using fire and forget skills they go:
Aside from the obvious, that includes [skill=text]Soul Barbs[/skill], [skill=text]Mark of Pain[/skill] and [skill=text]Price of Failure[/skill] and plenty others, not only SS. Also cursers have some of the faster more spiky AoE, it is what takes care of the foes that survive the fire and forget chain; though it is still not viable to make a necro build with only direct damage ranged AoE.(point blank works well though, or used too; haven't seen any1 using it for quite a while) A death spike(no MM build so I guess you don't want to, better to check the sticky if you need a MM anyways) has pretty much devolved into the new ranged AoE necro, using [skill=text]Rising Bile[/skill] [wiki]Putrid Bile[/wiki] and [skill=text]Putrid Explosion[/skill] they deal area damage quickly when a foe dies, in PvE where mobs are grouped together well that is pretty useful. Because all those skills are single shot they will not scatter foes like [skill=text]Mark of Pain[/skill] does, so other AoE effects work well with them too. The basic elite for a Death magic spike uses [skill=text]Icy Veins[/skill] for a elite, [skill=text]Discord[/skill] is nice too if you can't use [wiki]Necrosis[/wiki] as you are precasting hexes before starting a spike anyway, the time needed to fulfill Discord's requirements won't be that bad. I hope I said something even remotely useful. Last edited by System_Crush; Jan 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM // 10:17.. |
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Jan 09, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Michigan, USA
Guild: Us Are Not [leet]
Profession: E/
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/agree
They are all pretty bad IMO. I would rather bring Tainted then any of those death magic necros and that is definitely saying something. Why are you trying to use really bad necro elites. It's not like Necros don't have good elites or something. What is so wrong with Spiteful Spirit, Spoil Victor, jagged Bones, or Order of Undeath |
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Jan 09, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2007
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Nothing wrong with them at all. I'm just trying to use elites that are a lil more out there. You know the ones you don't see everyday. I love SS, and being a MM, but I love to tinker and try and get a build that effectivly uses some of those 'n00b' elites. I'm just trying to be unique.
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Jan 10, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2007
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If the choice is between SS or FoC, FoC loses, but FoC inst bad in a second curse necro. Mobs just melt with an SS+FoC, and u get loads of utilitie
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Jan 10, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Michigan, USA
Guild: Us Are Not [leet]
Profession: E/
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You see, I disagree with you Improvavel. I don't think FoC is good at any point in time ever.
Necromancers are either Spoil Victor, Spiteful Spirit, Minion Master, or /Mo or /Rt Healers. That's it! It's not that I'm being closed minded or noobish. It is the simple fact that everything else a necro is good for isn't effective in PvE IMO. Necros are great at throwing degen on multiple foes. That is fact. But degen is incredibly weak in PvE so it is relatively unused. Necros are also good at spiking with unprotable life stealing damage. That, also, is very ineffective in PvE because it takes a team of 8 necros to pull it off and without all 8 the damage is simply mediocre at best. There ya have it. |
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Jan 11, 2008, 03:28 AM // 03:28
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2007
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FoC isnt the top curse elite for 2 reasons: slow recharge and SS is just better.
On the other hand Necros have the advantadge of having very good energy in PvE. Would I take FoC over SS? No way. Would I take a 2nd curse Necro over a 2nd SS or as one of the 2 nukers in the party? Yes. In my quest for vanquishing and Legendary Guardian, I liked the way a FoC necro played is role as a nuker, while providing decent support, either by bringing some restoration, wards or whatever. 80 armor ignoring damage at 15 curses with the potential for 120 to all adjacent for 15 energy isnt as weak as you may think. |
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Jan 11, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Sep 2007
Guild: [Scar]
Profession: N/Me
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i like foc, if it recharged faster and didnt require a setup to get the full damage effect,
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Jan 11, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2006
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bringing [skill]arcane echo[/skill] is also a good idea bringing the 2 together will make you a [skill]feast of corruption[/skill] war machine. it also leaves enough room for your favourite N/Me skills to fit in whichever area you're in. N/Me especially with Curses is 1 of the most flexible professions available... use this flexibility to your advantage... |
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Jan 11, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2007
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Jan 11, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: USA
Guild: DMI
Profession: N/
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Jan 11, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Michigan, USA
Guild: Us Are Not [leet]
Profession: E/
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The purpose of degen is pressure. Degen allows for a constant stream of damage which will greatly increase the probability to pressure out enemy teams. The only way this works is if the pressure degen is sustained for long periods of time. In PvE, this does not happen, thus degen is bad. Don't argue it until you learn, know, and understand game mechanics. |
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Jan 11, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: USA
Guild: DMI
Profession: N/
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Last edited by Olim Chill; Jan 11, 2008 at 10:16 PM // 22:16.. |
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Jan 14, 2008, 11:56 AM // 11:56
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2007
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Well I've been working on a new build, I would like some opinion on it.
12 - Soul Reaping 12 - Curses [skill]Soul Barbs[/skill][skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Faintheartedness[/skill][skill]Suffering[/skill][skill]Well of Darkness[/skill][skill]Signet of Suffering[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Resurrection signet[/skill] As with all my builds, Res sig can be swapped out for any resurrection skill according to preferance. |
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Jan 14, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23
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The 5th Celestial Boss
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Inverness, Scotland
Guild: The Cult of Scaro [WHO]
Profession: E/
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Jan 14, 2008, 01:54 PM // 13:54
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Reactive Hexing Sucks
Guild: [Thay]
Profession: N/
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Jan 14, 2008, 03:09 PM // 15:09
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tripping in Holland
Guild: My guild died :`(
Profession: N/
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Presure isn't a mechanic it is a tactic.
That said. Quote:
Cruses 12+1+1 Soul reaping 12+1 Even though I can tell that because 4 hexes wouldn't max out SoS with 12 curses, it's still a good idea to mention this. Quote:
[skill=text]Soul Barbs[/skill] and [skill=text]Parasitic Bond[/skill] are a basic set, for proph curses of level 16 or less, its good curses damage compared to the other skills you have available to you, but by energy cost to effect, it's worse than bad once you get to nolani academy. However add [skill=text]Recurring Insecurity[/skill] and the damage output is doubled, interesting, though it's still not devastating. Plague signet is like Feast of Corruption a 20 sec recharge spike, elementalists have 20 sec recharge spikes, that are only good because they are AoEDoT that deal like 33*10 damage, obviously a lot more than [skill=text]Signet of Suffering[/skill]'s 140 to a single target only. So if we want [skill=text]Signet of Suffering[/skill] then we will need to improve it, for signet's this is easily done with [skill=text]Mantra of Inscriptions[/skill] is used by smiting monks every where, get yours now and you get energy gain improvement, free of charge. Signets are harder to interrupt than 2 sec cast spell, that is a good reason to run SoS over a blood spike. Your build will require 4 hexes and the mantra to make SoS deal the best damage, this means 3 things.
You can use energy intensive effects like [skill=text]Spinal Shivers[/skill] without a drawback as SoS does not require energy and you have 11 secs to just wand away trying to interrupt skills. Also you will cast 4 hexes before you can start getting to work, to be useful in a team, those 4 hexes shouldn't take so long that the foe is already dead when you finish. You chose 3, 1 sec cast hexes 1 of which AoE(meaning there's no need to recast it when moving to the next foe, saving time) from curses its about the best you will get, the needed secondary doesn't offer great option on it either, [skill=text]Defile Flesh[/skill] is worth considering however, as when spiking you don't want your target healed of course. ================================= All in all if you want to be original, you will have to mix and match with secondaries, necro only is nice but only 1 of 10 classes, so not taking a secondary is like not using 90% of the possibilities, that is pretty much 90% chance you won't find that skill you need to create the optimal use of a unfavored elite. Also, get the guildwars freaks tool, it will help you put skills together, from different professions and title tracks(though the PvE skill display definitely needs an update) I think it beats the usability of all them online build makers. I'm actually amazed that now the source is open, no1 has copy pasted the attribute selection and modified yet. Or is it that 2nd hand submissions aren't making it to the source forge versions... Maybe I should quit being lazy and just get it's source and do it myself, could fix some of the broken skill values while I'm at it. Last edited by System_Crush; Jan 14, 2008 at 03:18 PM // 15:18.. |
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Jan 14, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2006
Guild: The Pond [pond]
Profession: N/Me
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Curses: 11+3+1 Soul Reaping: 10+1 Inspiration Magic: 10 ([skill]Ulcerous Lungs[/skill] or [skill]Soul Barbs[/skill])[skill]Parasitic Bond[/skill][skill]Suffering[/skill][skill]Shadow of Fear[/skill][skill]Signet of Suffering[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Mantra of Inscriptions[/skill]([skill]Ether Signet[/skill] or [skill]Hex Eater Signet[/skill] or [skill]Leech Signet[/skill] or Res skill) |
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