Curse

Age · Nov 05, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Yes but it is the whole team working with you to keep the King alive and I forgot Ranger as wel I wasn't going into primary attributes for those profs and yes agian some spec, in other or one alone but they never put the other attributes down say beast mastery, water,curses,deadly arts,channeling,wind,spear.inspiration and hammer.

We are the only one who will put down our very own attributes say healing for the most and we can't even think of using smiting.

LightningHell · Nov 06, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Chthon

I pretty much agree.

(But why is that that when I say something like this I get flamed to high heaven and told to uninstall, but when you say it no one blinks?...)

Mainly because you phrase it in a more controversial and sometimes with an entirely different meaning. While anything works in PvE, it's generally better to run hybrid.

arcady · Nov 06, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by stanza

My problem with ZB is that in areas when u take a second monk as a healer if he beats you to the heal you waste 10e.

For some reason, everytime I PUG with a second monk all she does (I've yet to PUG with a male monk, no idea why) is spam her weapon. I've been watching this lately, and if the other monk is a human, she will only cast a few heals throughout the entire mission.

My ZB has been beaten maybe twice, but then I rarely have to cast it anyway.

I believe my Prot build is effective, but I have trouble believing it is so effective that the other monk is just dead weight. However it keeps playing out that way. I can also say that I have almost never PUG'd with a Prot monk other than myself. Including when I am on my other non-monk toons.

When someone goes down, it usually happens when I can't reach them in time. And rezzing that someone is something the other monk will often beat me to doing.

Last mission I did, the other monk even went afk halfway through the mission, and we didn't seem to notice. I just realized at one point that the letters of her name had gone grey, and they didn't go white again until the very end when she rushed through to catch up...

Grammar · Nov 06, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

The problem with ZB is that it's not that much better than Gift (in a prot build) or Kiss (in a hybrid build).

I used to run ZB but got sick of it for a variety of reasons I'm not going to get into. Now I run LoD hybrid with Kiss, and I just use Kiss as my big heal where I used to use ZB. I find that Kiss works pretty much just as well as ZB in those situations.
Even in a prot build, I'd rather squeeze some points into heal and use Gift as my big heal, saving my elite slot for something else.

As for the healing vs. prot debate for run-of-the-mill PvE, I agree that healing can work just fine so long as you fit some other stuff in there other than just a bunch of redundant heals. Hell, even if it's just a condition remover, hex remover, and Prot Spirit for bosses and DP, I have no problem with it.
I don't like being an elitist jerk when other monks ping full healing bars ("OMG heal sucks n00b!!1"). I just kindly suggest that they replace Healing Breeze with Cure/Remove Hex, and Words of Comfort with Dismiss/Mend Condition, and so on.

Toutatis · Nov 06, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

I would put an equal emphasis on healing and protection for PvE. If you're not interested in smiting, it's generally sensible to be a heal/prot hybrid. Protection prayers act as an indirect form of energy management; the less damage your party is taking, the less energy you have to burn on healing.

Ensign · Nov 06, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

I've pulled out my PvE Monk to refresh my memory a bit.

You very rarely need more than Light of Deliverance and Dwayna's Kiss to move bars up. Kiss really shines in PvE, it heals for 156+32 more often than not. If I wanted a 3rd heal Signet of Rejuvenation would suffice, though RoF usually is what I want in the situations where I need a 3rd skill like that.

Prot in normal PvE is a lot different from PvP prot. You use a lot less of it, but every bit you use is so much more valuable. Shield of Absorption is amazing and often stops all damage for 7 seconds. Prot Spirit against bosses or on DPed targets is essential. Mobs don't switch targets on prot, so if you place some really well it's going to pay back in huge ways.

Dismiss is much less valuable with LoD in tow. You can ignore the random conditions and just use it to pull blind, daze, and deep wound and let LoD deal with the degen. It's nice as a 3rd heal as well when you want to inch bars up a bit. Cure Hex is really nice with the 40/40 set for big heals, and for the occasional really nasty hex that needs to be pulled.

the_jos · Nov 06, 2007, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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We are the only one who will put down our very own attributes say healing for the most and we can't even think of using smiting.

Can't use smiting is because of the mindset of people (mostly PuG) and smiting is not the most effective except against undead.

I run hybrids on both my mesmer and monk, but will always max the attribute I'm mainly using (prot on monk and dom/illusion on mes) except there is a better break point on an other line.
The rest is spread between primary attribute (fc/df) and secondary (insp on mes and healing on monk).
That's on the two main professions I play.

The others are more straight forward, with points in 2 attributes, except when I see benefit in the environment to spread on 3 attributes.