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Shuuda · Nov 03, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by 3246251196

Maybe you could risk having two Superiors if you use a Sup Vig.. What you guys think?

Odd, I don't think there is an english word that could describe to what extent using TWO sup runes is a bad idea, or two major for that matter.

Chthon · Nov 03, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Odd, I don't think there is an english word that could describe to what extent using TWO sup runes is a bad idea, or two major for that matter.

Rangers, particularly beastmaster rangers, can get away with it in PvE as long as their positioning is halfway intelligent. I usually run dual Sup when I go beastmaster, and very rarely are the monsters able to punish me for it. And, mind you, I used a beastmaster build to go from 70-ish elite skills to LSH, so I do kinda know what I'm talking about. (BM works nicely for skill capping since the secondary is irrelevant.) There is some very slim merit to the idea that life is worth more than attribute points in exceptionally high-end HM zones. But, nobody plays a a beastmaster in those zones, iso it's totally inapplicable to this discussion. Now, I think you need to step off the "trendy" train and stop regurgitating this sort of cliche crap that you read in Riverside in threads that are clearly outside your realm of knowledge.

Shuuda · Nov 03, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Now, I think you need to step off the "trendy" train and stop regurgitating this sort of cliche crap that you read in Riverside in threads that are clearly outside your realm of knowledge.

Me...... trendy..... wow you really think so? So wow, you can use your beastmaster build in easy peasy PvE, and you think that means you know what your talking about, guess what, mending wammos can do well in PvE, get my point? I like beastmasters just as much, if not more than you (since I go as far to use them in PvP). Play beastmaster against anything smarter than monsters with duel sup, and your team will point and laugh.

Go ahead, post your build so that I can shoot it down.

Chthon · Nov 04, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

since I go as far to use them in PvP. Play beastmaster against anything smarter than monsters with duel sup, and your team will point and laugh.

If you're playing a BM in serious PvP (outside of RA or AB), then you've got some worse problems the believing everything you read in Riverside about runes must be true... Frankly, if you show up in organized PvP as a beastmaster, your team is going to point and laugh and then fall onto the floor and continue laughing and hyperventilate and die before they get around to asking what your runes are.

Beastmaster is a fun build. It's a primarily a PvE thing. You can make a low-end PvP thing out of it. (I farm glad points in RA as beastmaster sometimes.) But one thing all even moderately experienced BM's (and even most people who have never played BM too) realize is that we're simply too underpowered to compete with top-tier builds in any aspect of the game. The BM line is good enough to be fun, but not good enough to dominate, anywhere. And that not-serious, just-for-fun, hey-I-wonder-if-I-can-beat-you-with-Dan-Hibiki central aspect to beastmastery makes build-nazism, and "post your build so that I can shoot it down," and "if you play X, then 'your team will point and laugh'" completely unjustified and silly.

No one in this thread is talking about PvP but you. And I've got no desire to start. It seems you changed the topic to PvP because you needed a way to one-up and insult me, but you really couldn't refute my point: In PvE a beastmaster CAN get away with 2 sup runes if they really want to. Sitting at longbow range with 70AL usually allows a BM to avoid aggro altogether if they're marginally smart about it.

You've got no business coming in here and mocking 3246251196 for considering running two sup runes in PvE. First of all, you shouldn't be an ass like that and mock people at all -- it's just plain rude and nasty. Second of all, you're mocking an idea that can -- and has -- worked. Now buzz off.

Longasc · Nov 04, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

I prefer to use generic barrage builds with 1-2 interrupts on my PvE Rangers.

12 Beast Mastery is usually enough to make your pets: 80 AL fragbait that also dishes out some damage.

Combine with Barrage, one of your 1-2 ranger having lower BM but splinter weapon and death pact signet.

You get two more buddies to your party, with Feral Aggression and especially as dire pets (low hp) they not only soak up aggro, but also deal damage.

I use Ranger Heroes in HM solo vanquishing. Either with Heal as One in 4 man areas or with Barrage/Pet. 13 Expertise, 12 Marksman, 12 BM the usual setup for them.

Pure Beastmastery works better with human players and it is much better than people believe it to be. The problem is the dependence on the pet of many pure BM builds.

My usual HM-team:

1. Me (SS/Mark of Pain/Enfeebling Blood/Barbs etc.)
2. Jin (Barrage/Pet)
3. Margrid (Barrage/Pet)
4. Olias (Icy Veins/Death Nova MM)

Pets act as tanks and their damage is amplified with Mark of Pain and Barbs. When they die, they give Olias and me energy due to soul reaping and create more minions.

Also remember, pets do not get DP in PvE, which becomes valuable in HM vanquishing.

Shuuda · Nov 04, 2007, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by Chthon

If you're playing a BM in serious PvP (outside of RA or AB), then you've got some worse problems the believing everything you read in Riverside about runes must be true... Frankly, if you show up in organized PvP as a beastmaster, your team is going to point and laugh and then fall onto the floor and continue laughing and hyperventilate and die before they get around to asking what your runes are.

Beastmaster is a fun build. It's a primarily a PvE thing. You can make a low-end PvP thing out of it. (I farm glad points in RA as beastmaster sometimes.) But one thing all even moderately experienced BM's (and even most people who have never played BM too) realize is that we're simply too underpowered to compete with top-tier builds in any aspect of the game. The BM line is good enough to be fun, but not good enough to dominate, anywhere. And that not-serious, just-for-fun, hey-I-wonder-if-I-can-beat-you-with-Dan-Hibiki central aspect to beastmastery makes build-nazism, and "post your build so that I can shoot it down," and "if you play X, then 'your team will point and laugh'" completely unjustified and silly.

No one in this thread is talking about PvP but you. And I've got no desire to start. It seems you changed the topic to PvP because you needed a way to one-up and insult me, but you really couldn't refute my point: In PvE a beastmaster CAN get away with 2 sup runes if they really want to. Sitting at longbow range with 70AL usually allows a BM to avoid aggro altogether if they're marginally smart about it.

You've got no business coming in here and mocking 3246251196 for considering running two sup runes in PvE. First of all, you shouldn't be an ass like that and mock people at all -- it's just plain rude and nasty. Second of all, you're mocking an idea that can -- and has -- worked. Now buzz off.

1: it just for RA/Ab/FA, I know full well that beastmasters won't work in high end. But when you think about it, many past high end PvP builds have actually relied on pets in someway (IWAY for example)

2: I was merely critising his use of duel sup, your the one you started actually insulting me. I have nothing against whatshisname, you on the other hand are most annoying.

3: I've barely ever agreed with anyone in the Riverside, since their mindless whines bug me, anything I've read about runes will have been from the gladiator forum, where unlike the Riverside, some people know what they are talking about.

4: 2 Sups just aren't worth it, 1 sup and a minor would be better for emergencies, which will happen.