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his brothers keeper · Sep 24, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

I rolled monk again after 2 years. Orision of healing is great, Idc what you say, most bang for your buck. Why isn't Glimmer of Light a promonent Healing Elite then? Its at least he MOST effective heal for its energy cost right? Little overhealing and short Cooldown.

So, tell me why it isn't?

DarkGanni · Sep 24, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by his brothers keeper

I rolled monk again after 2 years. Orision of healing is great, Idc what you say, most bang for your buck. Why isn't Glimmer of Light a promonent Healing Elite then? Its at least he MOST effective heal for its energy cost right? Little overhealing and short Cooldown.

So, tell me why it isn't?

Uuuuhhh if you don't care what we say then why did you make the thread

twicky_kid · Sep 24, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

Honestly, it has no utility.

moriz · Sep 24, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

orison sucks. making an elite version of orison that casts in .25 seconds will still suck. simply put, both spells at 14 healing are completely eclipsed by reversal of fortune at 9 prot.

his brothers keeper · Sep 24, 2007, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by moriz

orison sucks. making an elite version of orison that casts in .25 seconds will still suck. simply put, both spells at 14 healing are completely eclipsed by reversal of fortune at 9 prot.

Glimmer of light at 14 heals for 81

Reversal heals for 54 at nine

if they are hit for that much. Perhaps I should do more testing with the skill before I make assumptions based on inexperience and my impressions.

But to throw out completely inacurate numbers? Unless you are counting the negation aswell.

DarkGanni · Sep 24, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

From my experience it completely disintigrates all your energy due to excessive usage and orison is replaced by [skill]words of comfort[/skill] these days, my final point is as elite I still prefer [skill]word of healing[/skill] much more conveniant imo

Abbel Calima · Sep 24, 2007, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Well yeah, with reversal of fortune it negates the complete damage and heals for max. 54 health at 9 prot. (It's better to negate than heal.)

moriz · Sep 24, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

reversal's effective heal is double that of its printed number, since it completely negates the next damage, and heals the same amount.

another way to think of reversal's effect is that it completely negates the next two attacks on target, since the first hit brings hp up, and the second hit brings hp down to its original level.

either way, reversal of fortune is more effective than orison and glimmer, despite one of them being an elite. that's why glimmer is never used.

his brothers keeper · Sep 24, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

I see. I can tell that I need to do alot more testing on this. I want to apply this skill if only for the novelty.

Thanks to even the flamers, your insight has been very helpful!

azizul1975 · Sep 24, 2007, 05:24 AM // 05:24

how about this ? all in one ?

[skill]Blessed Light[/skill]

Div · Sep 24, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

Glimmer used to be good when LoD wasn't so common, and when the healing effect was much stronger. Now it's just an elite version of RoF on a healer monk (and RoF even has the side benefit of having synergy with dervishes!).

Blight used to be good as well, but 10 energy for a mediocre heal and removals that sometimes don't even trigger is too much. Plus the skill requires high divine favor generally, which pretty much limits your variety of skills.

Ensign · Sep 24, 2007, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Glimmer was never good. It was used before people figured out that LoD was the undisputed king of Monk elites.

If you use Glimmer now it's because you haven't gotten the memo yet.

Melody Cross · Sep 24, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

In the beta, with no recycle, Glimmer looked and played wicked cool. You could just run it and it was all the healing you needed. Spec out a prot bar and you have a modified ZB build that can spam. Stick Divine Spirit or channeling on that bar and you could out heal insane damage when there was no disruption. That Glimmer...that Glimmer owned.

Glimmer is a great skill that never was. Instead of being the Healing Prayers version of ZB, its a low cost fast cast slightly stronger orison that takes your elite slot (and just because orison's what we got, that doesn't make it good). It was used--briefly--in some channeling tank builds for HA. Thats about it. The healing it can output with respectable DF is equal to one critical scythe hit, roughly...and with recycle factored in, you heal less often. ELight heals for more than this does...and its non-elite. Gift of Health heals for considerably more and fits perfectly on existing hybrid bars.

At least ZB is 3 energy when used responsibly and has a Heal Other stat. Specced on a prot bar...its a better choice. And outside of small teams arenas and the occasional PvE, its not a good one.

GGs

Kale Ironfist · Sep 24, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by his brothers keeper

Its at least he MOST effective heal for its energy cost right?

At 14 HP:
Glimmer heals 81
Light of Deliverance heals 75*8=600 health

So which one is more efficient again?

Grammar · Sep 24, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Ensign

It was used before people figured out that LoD was the undisputed king of Monk elites.

More and more people seem to agree with this statement, which is why I sometimes get some grief for still running a ZB/GoH bar in PvE instead of LoD.
But I have some significant beefs with LoD that keep me going back to the ZB bar every time I try playing LoD.

Simply put, if your team is good and your builds are proper, very rarely will more than half of your teammates be under 80% health. And the ones that are under 80% health (usually 1 to 3 guys) are going to be WAY under 80% health, which case a ~75HP or so heal is of little help. What IS of great help in this typical situation is RoF, ZB, and PS. There's pretty much nothing these 3 spells can't save you from unless your team is a complete joke. But there's a whole crap-ton that LoD can't save you from, especially when the s*** hits the fan.

Sorry to go off topic there.

Everything that needs to be said about Glimmer has already been said: RoF > Glimmer.

Tab · Sep 24, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Wrong. The way LoD is supposed to be used is that your two monks prot everything well, and LoD mops up the small amount of damage that gets through, as it's the most efficient heal out there. ZB is for 4v4 or if you failed at protting.

And yes. Glimmer is baed.

Tarzanboy · Sep 24, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

At 14 HP:
Glimmer heals 81
Light of Deliverance heals 75*8=600 health

So which one is more efficient again?

Assuming that 8 people are below 80%. If the party gets bumped to 80% health, say thanks to something along the lines of Ballad of Restoration, Song of Restoration or Extinguish it's 75*0. Needless to say the skill does have uses, but it can be a crapshoot at times.

Cheers,
TB

bhavv · Sep 24, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by Tarzanboy

Assuming that 8 people are below 80%. If the party gets bumped to 80% health, say thanks to something along the lines of Ballad of Restoration, Song of Restoration or Extinguish it's 75*0. Needless to say the skill does have uses, but it can be a crapshoot at times.

Cheers,
TB

TBH anywhere in the game party members will fall below 80% health. There is no way in GW that you will constantly maintain everyones HP over 80% to rule out using LoD and use Glimmer instead.

Also, even if only two people are below 80% health, 75x2 = 150 which is still more efficient then Glimmer.

Make glimmer a 106 heal at 16 healing and it would be worth it. Untill then its useless. LoD is the only monk elite I use in PVE on my heroes anyway (Prot/heal hybrids with chain Aegis and LoD).

Ive vanquished plenty of 8 man areas with my guildies using just the two hero monks for defense.

Tab · Sep 24, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Tarzanboy

Assuming that 8 people are below 80%. If the party gets bumped to 80% health, say thanks to something along the lines of Ballad of Restoration, Song of Restoration or Extinguish it's 75*0. Needless to say the skill does have uses, but it can be a crapshoot at times.

Cheers,
TB

Apart from nobody brings those with LoD, as it's all the party healing you need.

moriz · Sep 24, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

who the hell still use the restoration chants? they were only used before because they triggered the living daylights out of the broken energizing finale. i'd rather have a paragon use something useful that those stupid chants.

LoD is the way to go.