Curse

BlackSephir · Oct 18, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Well, I've learned that minus and minus give plus.

Xetelian · Oct 19, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Maybe I'm missing something, but why take that elite instead of way of the master?
Why take way of perfection instead of the the dervish equivalent +5 hp gained per each enchantment max of ?25? per hit instead of per crit.

Not dieing really quick in pvp is essential of course, but its not simply being a tank, its about being about able to kill them before they kill you.

iridescentfyre · Oct 19, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Adamant

Thank you all for such un-constructive criticism. You've made your point, you don't like it.

[Self-Esteem -10]

Seeing as this is doomed to ridicule, please close this thread.

Oh come on, either stand by your build or accept some criticism on it. Don't hide behind moderators! No one has said anything that severe.. this thread is still light-years from being a flame war.

Besides, it doesn't have Mending, that's a plus. ^^

But yeah.. don't be a tank in PvP. Its unnecessary and counterproductive and eats up your skill bar. Your ability to stay alive at one shrine for 10 minutes doesn't win an Alliance Battle. Self-sufficiency is great to have, just don't overdo it. You're going to die a lot in AB's, just accept it and be ready to recover and move quickly.

Am I A Good Sin · Oct 19, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Yay time for a bit of posting fun

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When I'm bored I play an A/D. Here's what I use:
Zealous sweep
Radiant Scythe ( something like that )
Reapers Sweep ( E )
Victorious sweep ( 5 energy cost. heal when you have more health than them. )
Way of the Master
Critical defences
Mystic regen
Optional ( condition removal, Speed up, res, etc )
That's for fun anyways. Or a sig spiker. Still works even with the nerf.
You need more damage in your build which has been stated multiple times.
And a final thing for all you people out there not helping at all:
GET OUT OF THREADS THAT YOU AREN'T HELPING WITH. IF ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS THIS IS CRAP OR I WOULD NEVER USE THIS THEN LEAVE!!! DON'T EVEN POST IT!
That's all.

Nookies · Oct 20, 2007, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Well, not good enough as a tank, but still. I like the idea
with Mystic Regen. and Way of the Assassin.
*gonna experiment abit right away* ^^

longhornrob · Oct 21, 2007, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

Oh come on, either stand by your build or accept some criticism on it. Don't hide behind moderators! No one has said anything that severe.. this thread is still light-years from being a flame war.

Besides, it doesn't have Mending, that's a plus. ^^

But yeah.. don't be a tank in PvP. Its unnecessary and counterproductive and eats up your skill bar. Your ability to stay alive at one shrine for 10 minutes doesn't win an Alliance Battle. Self-sufficiency is great to have, just don't overdo it. You're going to die a lot in AB's, just accept it and be ready to recover and move quickly.

Uh, sadly, it actually DOES win Alliance Battles. If you run right into a group of 5 or 6, most likely the will NOT leave until you are dead. If you can catch them away from a shrine, you can give your side an incredible advantage in numbers. Sure, most people SHOULDN'T stay occupied with a tank, but of course so many do. Most ABers will not run away from something that can damage them. I mean, most pets and minions get killed off after their master is already dead.

iridescentfyre · Oct 21, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by longhornrob

Uh, sadly, it actually DOES win Alliance Battles. If you run right into a group of 5 or 6, most likely the will NOT leave until you are dead. If you can catch them away from a shrine, you can give your side an incredible advantage in numbers. Sure, most people SHOULDN'T stay occupied with a tank, but of course so many do. Most ABers will not run away from something that can damage them. I mean, most pets and minions get killed off after their master is already dead.

Okay fair enough, tanks win Alliance Battles when the enemy is that stupid. I guess--more out of principal than anything else--I like to avoid builds that require the enemy to be that stupid in order to be successful.

longhornrob · Oct 21, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

Okay fair enough, tanks win Alliance Battles when the enemy is that stupid. I guess--more out of principal than anything else--I like to avoid builds that require the enemy to be that stupid in order to be successful.

You gotta go with what works, I guess. But I agree, I wouldn't play as a Tera Tank or a Toucher either.

Coloneh · Oct 21, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

touchers actually take down targets. tera tanks can be alright if players by a smart player, never battle, just cap shrines and tank the NPCs so your group can kill.

Quaker · Oct 21, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamant

Thank you all for such un-constructive criticism. You've made your point, you don't like it.

[Self-Esteem -10]

Seeing as this is doomed to ridicule, please close this thread.

Lol! I coulda warned you.

Don't take it personally, must of these kids can only rattle off meaningless stuff like "Assassins don't tank." (Assassins, like every other class, do whatever the hell they want!)

This reminds me of the time a friend of mine, wanting to do the Tombs, set up her assassin(A/R) as a B/P. It was very difficult to get people to join the group, but it worked just fine - better than some.

Coloneh · Oct 22, 2007, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Lol! I coulda warned you.

Don't take it personally, must of these kids can only rattle off meaningless stuff like "Assassins don't tank." (Assassins, like every other class, do whatever the hell they want!)

please go home. we are here giving you advice. if you can't take criticism go back to first grade.

BlackSephir · Oct 22, 2007, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Lol! I coulda warned you.

Don't take it personally, must of these kids can only rattle off meaningless stuff like "Assassins don't tank." (Assassins, like every other class, do whatever the hell they want!)

So? You can probably even turn a monk into a tank but why? Assas have one of the largest if not the largest dps in the game and you want to tank?
Go make a wammo with healing hands and dolyak sig.

Jaigoda · Oct 22, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

A 'sin can tank about as well as a warrior by using Nightstalker's (or Blessed, but you should be attacking anyway, so...) Insignias and using 3-4 skills: Critical Agility, Critical Defenses, Way of Perfection, and Mystic Regeneration; You really don't need CD or MR, but I included them in case you really wanted to be the primary tank (a bad idea that will also stress your attribute points, but still; CD works well if you have a free slot and a little extra energy). This leaves at least half of your bar open, as well as your elite slot. Moebius Blossom, anybody?

Oh, and I just remembered, my Moebius Blossom build using CA and WoP with CStrike and CEye was a secondary tank in Hell's Precipice, meaning I didn't actively tank, but I held my own when I had a Titan or two on me. Also, the monk didn't heal very well....

Yanman.be · Oct 22, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda

Oh, and I just remembered, my Moebius Blossom build using CA and WoP with CStrike and CEye was a secondary tank in Hell's Precipice, meaning I didn't actively tank, but I held my own when I had a Titan or two on me. Also, the monk didn't heal very well....

Now this is a testimony we should all base our future thoughts on.

Jaigoda · Oct 23, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Yanman, it's very difficult to detect sarcasm in written form. Were you joking on this one, or no?

Yanman.be · Oct 23, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

All of my posts are sarcastic, so...Yeah, it's a joke. What you were able to do once, a long long time ago, doesn't really matter. What I accomplished however, is a great resource of knowledge.

Jaigoda · Oct 23, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Aha, I'm new here, so I wouldn't have known.. But actually, it was a month or two ago, so ha. But I do have to admit that Hell's is pretty easy nowadays if you can get a good non-PuG group (guildy's, friends, etc.). Of course, if you're being sarcastic... You're saying that what I was able to do recently actually matters, and what you have accomplished is worthless?

Hmm...

Sir Pandra Pierva · Oct 23, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Sarcasm lol

Also I did make a monk tank for ab once when I was bored. Sadly it worked all too well..............Also sins can tank but they designed to spike why people keep trying to make them tank is sometimes beyond me.

Jaigoda · Oct 23, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Because they can tank just as well as other melee professions, at least in PvE... Critical Agility FTW, best tank skill in the game! (/slight sarcasm)

Bobby2 · Oct 23, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Critical Agility FTW, best tank skill in the game! [/no sarcasm at all]