Curse

Cebe · Nov 01, 2007, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Me three.

Lourens, Let's take another look at that energy gain.

16 Fire = 10 energy back.

16 Fire + Glyph of Elemental Power = 11 energy back

16 Fire + Glyph of Elemental Power + Fire Attunement = 13 energy back.

Mind Blast is a great skill.

I personally don't use Mind Blast without GoEP and Fire Attunement. With that in mind, Rodgort's Invocation followed by Glowing Gaze followed by Mind Blast = 8 Energy back + 13 Energy back + 13 Energy back = 34 Energy back. The combo costs 35 energy to cast. Natural regen deals with the rest. Really, Glowing Gaze isn't needed but I take it in areas of high enchantment stripping to be on the safe side.

jaeharys targaryen · Nov 01, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lourens

[skill]mind blast[/skill] sucks ... at 16 fire u only get 5 net energy gain

please learn to play
that quote makes me sad.

crucifix · Nov 01, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

even if the math is off, 5 energy every 3 sec
(assuming no HCT/ HSR mods, which every ele uses with MB builds anyway) is better than no ene every 3 sec. btw its about 1.666666 ene per second (1 and 2/3rds). but back to the original question: dual attunes are useful when you are
a) in a linear state of mind and cant be creative enough to use a different elite
b) too lazy to spam an extra skills
c) suck at using mindblast

Lourens · Nov 01, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

it seems that everyone is blaming me like im a total noob *sigh*

i never played with mind blast , only got to sunspear sanctuary with my canthan ele >.> i dont got experience with mind blast doesnt mean i cant play ele

, ok ive said that

back to the topic we arent talking about mind blast but if it is ok to run dual attunement

jaeharys targaryen · Nov 01, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lourens

it seems that everyone is blaming me like im a total noob *sigh*

i never played with mind blast , only got to sunspear sanctuary with my canthan ele >.> i dont got experience with mind blast doesnt mean i cant play ele

, ok ive said that

back to the topic we arent talking about mind blast but if it is ok to run dual attunement

your attempt to exit gracefully is made even more pathetic by the fact that you yourself introduced mind blast into the conversation

and if you never played it, why are you saying its bad? its one thing if you say somethign is good that you;ve neevr played, but to say its bad?

Cebe · Nov 01, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by jaeharys targaryen

your attempt to exit gracefully is made even more pathetic by the fact that you yourself introduced mind blast into the conversation

Can we, y'know, NOT try to provoke arguments?

makosi · Nov 01, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

Dual attunements is a weaker tactic now since enchantment removal is so much more prevelant now than ever before. There's so much spammable enchantment-hate these days and I'm surprised ANet didn't just make Enchantments a violation of the EULA by now. They hate them.

Back on topic, I used Dual Attunements for killing the Great Destroyer as opposed to my mindless button-mashing Searing Flames build. (Destroyers have innate resistance to Fire and Earth damage for those who didn't know.)

[skill]Lightning Orb[/skill][skill]Enervating Charge[/skill][Shell Shock][skill]Lightning Hammer[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Elemental Attunement[/skill][skill]Air Attunement[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

12[+1+3] Air,
8 Earth Prayers
10[+1] Energy Storage

moko · Nov 01, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lourens

it seems that everyone is blaming me like im a total noob *sigh*

i never played with mind blast , only got to sunspear sanctuary with my canthan ele >.> i dont got experience with mind blast doesnt mean i cant play ele

, ok ive said that

back to the topic we arent talking about mind blast but if it is ok to run dual attunement

so why comment on something you aren't even sure about?

it's like me trying to tell someone that a certain word means <x> in russian without knowing the language?

Quote:

(Destroyers have innate resistance to Fire and Earth damage for those who didn't know.)

just fire i thought, or earth too?

and uh, i guess dual attunes are useful if you don't have blinding surge capped..lol.

crucifix · Nov 01, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

so why comment on something you aren't even sure about?

it's like me trying to tell someone that a certain word means <x> in russian without knowing the language?

just fire i thought, or earth too?

and uh, i guess dual attunes are useful if you don't have blinding surge capped..lol.

next time you meet a cute german broad, look her straight in the face and say "schoene augen". either you will be very happy with me or the side of your face is going to hurt quite a bit about 3 seconds after saying that.

dual attunes are great when you have no other elite. Its also a good option on hero eles that are setup for spamming high energy, low recharge skills. Aside from that, yeah better choices are most definitely available.

Lourens · Nov 01, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaeharys targaryen

your attempt to exit gracefully is made even more pathetic by the fact that you yourself introduced mind blast into the conversation

i didnt intoduced it into the topic , and you are pathetic

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaeharys targaryen

and if you never played it, why are you saying its bad? its one thing if you say somethign is good that you;ve neevr played, but to say its bad?

let that be my opinion

moko · Nov 01, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by crucifix

next time you meet a cute german broad, look her straight in the face and say "schoene augen". either you will be very happy with me or the side of your face is going to hurt quite a bit about 3 seconds after saying that.

as long as you look them in the FACE you won't get smacked.

(<-- is german btw, too bad i got it :P)

edit: whops offtopic, lucky it's just campfire. :>

also Lourens, stop posting crap.

Lourens · Nov 01, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

, im just defending myself back to the topic

i had an idea :

[skill]elemental attunement[/skill] + [skill]Arcane Mimicry[/skill] (ally has [skill]signet of illusions[/skill] )

and you run 16 (me/e) or 12 (e/me) Illusion Magic and 16 fast cast energy storage (signet of illusions > Ele att so being primary ele isnt needed)
= spam any high energy cost ele spell u like

jaeharys targaryen · Nov 01, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lourens

, im just defending myself back to the topic

i had an idea :

[skill]elemental attunement[/skill] + [skill]Arcane Mimicry[/skill] (ally has [skill]signet of illusions[/skill] )

and you run 16 (me/e) or 12 (e/me) Illusion Magic and 16 fast cast energy storage (signet of illusions > Ele att so being primary ele isnt needed)
= spam any high energy cost ele spell u like

for 1/3 of the time
arcane mimicry is sux

Snow Bunny · Nov 01, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lourens

[skill]elemental attunement[/skill] best used with [skill]rodgort's invocation[/skill]
and [skill]fire attunement[/skill]

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:E/...cation_Spammer

@ Snow Bunny please shut up ill pwn ya

You just used PvX as your justification.

You lose.

Mind Blast will spank you 7 days of the week, and Rodgort's Invocation will spank you twice on saturday.

crucifix · Nov 01, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

as long as you look them in the FACE you won't get smacked.

(<-- is german btw, too bad i got it :P)

edit: whops offtopic, lucky it's just campfire. :>

also Lourens, stop posting crap.

brownie points for getting a mod off topic? OH YES I DO THINK SO.

to keep this post on topic (barely) dual attunes.. booo.

math on the subject as to why!

2 attunes= 80% of ene cost back
16 spec MB= 10 ene, 5 gain (no attunes)

30% return from attune on MB= 2 energy

sooooo... 16 spec MB nets 7 energy gain.

7 ene gain every 3 sec = 2.33333 ene per sec.

dual attunes= you actually waste energy.

oh wait... MB does dmg! yay dont use dual attunes.

Lourens · Nov 01, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

You just used PvX as your justification.

You lose.

Mind Blast will spank you 7 days of the week, and Rodgort's Invocation will spank you twice on saturday.

Today, 07:46 AM thats more as 12 hours ago my dear

its pretty easy to come with those 3 skills if you are a bit smart

[skill]echo[/skill][skill]backfire[/skill][skill]disrupting chop[/skill][skill]distracting shot[/skill][skill]Diversion[/skill][skill]Disrupting Lunge[/skill] ... (no comment)

o and everyone stay on the topic from now on !

moko · Nov 01, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

want me to list every single enchantment removal in the game now...?

it IS on topic, cause mindblast > ele attune for most reasons. -_-

Marverick · Nov 02, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

Dual attunements is a weaker tactic now since enchantment removal is so much more prevelant now than ever before. There's so much spammable enchantment-hate these days and I'm surprised ANet didn't just make Enchantments a violation of the EULA by now. They hate them.

Back on topic, I used Dual Attunements for killing the Great Destroyer as opposed to my mindless button-mashing Searing Flames build. (Destroyers have innate resistance to Fire and Earth damage for those who didn't know.)

[skill]Lightning Orb[/skill][skill]Enervating Charge[/skill][Shell Shock][skill]Lightning Hammer[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Elemental Attunement[/skill][skill]Air Attunement[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

12[+1+3] Air,
8 Earth Prayers
10[+1] Energy Storage

Or you can take something more useful like [skill]Blinding Surge[/skill] and use [skill]Auspicious Incantation[/skill] for your energy management... of course it's not mindless button mashing so I guess that's not an option then.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Nov 02, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

it's amazing how everyone single topic likes always degrades down to this. dual attune is good for water, or fire if you don't have mind blast

jaeharys targaryen · Nov 02, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Or you can take something more useful like [skill]Blinding Surge[/skill] and use [skill]Auspicious Incantation[/skill] for your energy management... of course it's not mindless button mashing so I guess that's not an option then.

ooh, auspicious incantation with a 10e spell?
TEH HAX
and yeh, a dead enemy is better than a blind enemy
fire, plz