Curse

Bobby2 · Nov 19, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Decided to post it as it has been doing quite well for me in AB and RA. I've never seen it before, here or on pvxwiki. So I guess it’s mine to name.

Presenting:
A/W Distracting Moebius (real catchy I know

)

CS: 12+1
DM: 12+1+1
DA: 3

- leaping mantis sting
- exhausting assault
- impale
- distracting blow
- moebius strike
- death blossom
- shadow walk
- dash

Zealous +30/+5e Daggers, Vampiric +30/+5e Daggers, Ebon +30/+5e Daggers, Nightstalker armor

This build, I created to react to the nerf of my beloved Horns of the Ox. KD spamming is now nowhere as attractive as it was before, depriving me of even more of the damage that could have just been Death Blossom. Still roughly based on the Moebius Breeze build, since it just works.

The real abuse (besides Moebius Blossom insanity itself) lies in Moebius-Distracting Blow. Once you get someone below that critical 50% you basically get a 3s recharge interrupt that has an occasional AoE effect as well (which proved to be particularly devastating in AB), that's also why I decided on Exhausting-Impale. Most important of all: using Distracting Blow inbetween attacks in no way breaks apart the combo chain you're building. So instead of wasting the dual attack link on the now-crappy Horns damage, you can just go Moebius-Distracting-Blossom if you need to and enjoy Blossoms damage while still having interrupted. Energy problems are nigh nonexistant using Zealous Daggers, no Warrior will ever be able to use Distracting Blow as freely as we can. All resulting in a high-pressure build that plays the shutdown game as well as the Moebius-HotO Sin I used to like so much.

Nope, no self-heal. Just didn't happen to be in the attributes I wanted to use, I guess. Fragile? Yes. Deadly? Hell yeah!

Thanks for reading. ‘Flame shield on max’, or something!

MercenaryK · Nov 19, 2007, 05:13 AM // 05:13

I'm no guru, but I like seeing Mobius+______ other than DB. That's an interesting idea...

[DE] · Nov 19, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

So you took Yanmans old build and threw distracting blow in there. Okay? How is this worthy of a new thread?

Bobby2 · Nov 19, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

So you took Yanmans old build and threw distracting blow in there. Okay? How is this worthy of a new thread?

As I said, I haven't seen this done before. And w/e man, the Moebius Breeze build itself could also be considered a derivate of the Yansansin. Know why? Certain stuff just works well together.

fireflyry · Nov 19, 2007, 07:46 AM // 07:46

I like the idea man.

Ignore the nay-sayers.

Mist Walker Skarloc · Nov 19, 2007, 07:54 AM // 07:54

As much as I like Yan. As good as he is. I doubt he made MS+DB all by himself, and every other MS+DB build is a copy of his. Somehow, just somehow, I think MS+DB is easy enough to think up by more than one person. (Although admittedly, the Leaping Mantis->Exhausting is pretty similar, but I believe that it's original to Bobby before he saw the Yansassin.)

Anyways, Bobby: The idea is great, I DEFINATELY wanna try this out when I get back from school, it looks like a pretty good laugh! It makes me wanna search wiki for other attacks that would work between MS+DB uses.

Yanman.be · Nov 19, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

I never claimed that people copy me, I do claim that I was the first.

Fluffy Butt · Nov 19, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by fireflyry

I like the idea man.

Ignore the nay-sayers.

I like the idea to, but Yanman came up with something similar. (I think it was Yanman

) BTW, this is PvE forum

I like it when people think outside the box. Come up with ideas that may work. Like my Super Shutdown Sin, I like your build.

Bobby2 · Nov 20, 2007, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Thanks for all the great replies! It's getting better as I'm practising more with it. As for previously done builds: Moebius-DB, I think, wasn't even first used by Yan - I think he's talking about the LMS-Exhausting intro.

Which is just evil, btw.

Plz DO POST how you do with it yourself if you're giving it a go since I'm curious to find what other (better?) players think of it, and would improve upon it.

EDIT: I've never seen Exhausting-Impale (DW pressure i/o spike finisher) before either, the Yansansin Impaled after Blossom and Breeze didn't run it at all. For you ABing lot: this thing can generally take Ranger and Mesmer shrines by itself @ full health no problem. But it makes more sense to go 12565656 in that case, when Blossoming you sometimes don't want your prime target to die too soon

Yanman.be · Nov 20, 2007, 09:05 AM // 09:05

Bobby,the day the update that put Exhausting on 'must follow a lead" and DB got put to 2 seconds, I made the Yangansin. It was the first build that had true loopable ms-db, because before that, db was only 4 sec rc.

I've used exhausting-impale when DW didn't have the gray bar effect, and when I was spiking with more than 1 character.

Haha: look what a post I found ( from a former mod ) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=33

Bobby2 · Nov 20, 2007, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Bobby,the day the update that put Exhausting on 'must follow a lead" and DB got put to 2 seconds, I made the Yangansin. It was the first build that had true loopable ms-db, because before that, db was only 4 sec rc.

I've used exhausting-impale when DW didn't have the gray bar effect, and when I was spiking with more than 1 character.

Haha: look what a post I found ( from a former mod ) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=33

Did I at least take Distracting first!? Old timer!

Site modding is not linked to game skill

LightningHell · Nov 20, 2007, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Haha: look what a post I found ( from a former mod ) http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=33

While I agree with ClawOfCrimson on on most of the points, he did fail to address the points with concrete evidence.

To OP: Congrats if you thought it up yourself, but Moebius-DB is very old indeed. DBlow is innovative, though.

But frankly I think you're better off using Death Blossom, as you'd need to actually train a target to DBlow to any real disruption on the character, and if they know you're DBlowing the target predictably that 1) defeats the purpose, and 2) easily overextends you.

Bobby2 · Nov 20, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

To OP: Congrats if you thought it up yourself, but Moebius-DB is very old indeed.

Dude, what do you take me for?

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

But frankly I think you're better off using Death Blossom, as you'd need to actually train a target to DBlow to any real disruption on the character, and if they know you're DBlowing the target predictably that 1) defeats the purpose, and 2) easily overextends you.

Erm, what? I don't understand what you're saying. 'Train' a target? As for overextending: my e-management can handle it. Do notice I run 13 CS and Zealous +5e Daggers.

Yanman.be · Nov 20, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

While I agree with ClawOfCrimson on on most of the points, he did fail to address the points with concrete evidence.

Sins in PvE: Do AoE damage, and it's very high pressure dps damage and tend to hold out pretty good. So his points are pretty meh.

LightningHell · Nov 20, 2007, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Sins in PvE: Do AoE damage, and it's very high pressure dps damage and tend to hold out pretty good. So his points are pretty meh.

AoE damage would be obvious with DB; however, optimally mobs never actually venture so much into that Adjacent range.

It's pretty high pressure, yes, I agree on that. Somebody has to do some calculations on how it compares to DSlash.

I don't really know about their survivability though, which is I'm assuming somewhat less survivable than a Warrior.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Erm, what? I don't understand what you're saying. 'Train' a target? As for overextending: my e-management can handle it. Do notice I run 13 CS and Zealous +5e Daggers.

To train a target means to continuously hit a character without changing targets for melee. Overextending generally refers to general positions of play; when I say overextend, I mean you go beyond their frontline into their midline where it's harder for your mid/backine to support you.

~ Dan ~ · Nov 20, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Decided to post it as it has been doing quite well for me in AB and RA. I've never seen it before, here or on pvxwiki. So I guess it’s mine to name.

So you haven't seen moebius / DB spam before? Hmm..

I also don't see the point in a now-one-second-cast-time DW mid-combo.

Yanman.be · Nov 20, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Pretty easy LightningHell...There's a master of damage

gogo.

Mist Walker Skarloc · Nov 20, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

It's pretty high pressure, yes, I agree on that. Somebody has to do some calculations on how it compares to DSlash.

I don't really know about their survivability though, which is I'm assuming somewhat less survivable than a Warrior.

MS+DB does more DPS (D-Slash only comes near when FGJ! is up, MS+DB damage is fully maintainable).

Also, with Critical Agility and Critical Defenses, 'sin survivability is very good. Although obviously, that's only in PvE. But in PvP, D-Slash isn't so hot. Get it blocked, and you need to start building adrenaline again. A MS+DB chain is easy to get back into.

And dan-the-noob, the Distracting Blow idea is his, not MS+DB itself.
And Yan, I do now believe you were the first to start MS+DB spamming.

LightningHell · Nov 20, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Mist Walker Skarloc

Also, with Critical Agility and Critical Defenses, 'sin survivability is very good. Although obviously, that's only in PvE. But in PvP, D-Slash isn't so hot. Get it blocked, and you need to start building adrenaline again. A MS+DB chain is easy to get back into.

DSlash and MS/DB are both generally untouched in PvP, mainly due to both of them being very vulernable to block - an MS/DB chain is open to energy problems after blocking is introduced. Furthermore, 'tis not a good thing to do to keep training a target for a long time in PvP. Dragon Slash's unusability is self-explanatory, as you have stated.

Bobby2 · Nov 20, 2007, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

So you haven't seen moebius / DB spam before?

How you fail @ reading

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

an MS/DB chain is open to energy problems after blocking is introduced

Any build without Expose is killed by blocks...

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningHell

To train a target means to continuously hit a character without changing targets for melee. Overextending generally refers to general positions of play; when I say overextend, I mean you go beyond their frontline into their midline where it's harder for your mid/backine to support you.

Now I get ya. I'm actually quite good at retreating i/o running after an [email protected] Moebius allows me to start right over on another guy (who's overextended into our midline), so why not! Changing targets keeps ppl off balance, and I like sowing confusion!