Curse

Azaya · Nov 15, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

I'm sure a lot of people would be happy to make a new build, but that's not really the issue since it's not just one build that got wrecked. BLS and HotO are basic skills that many people use, in multiple builds. So yeah, make a new build.. make six or eight while you're at it.

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 15, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I think the fact that everyone was using the skills says something about thier nature.

I've found the changes to not be very significant at all. I've already found 2 assassin builds that totally crush the old chains, and I'm still working to improve them to be even better. I'm not really missing HotO or BLS.

Magikarp · Nov 15, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

i can see why they feel so upset about the nerf, but really, just make a new build. look how bad monks and warriors have been smashed in the past. look at rits and paragons.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Nov 15, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

People don't wanna change, but however the dmg in HotO really is overkill.

However I am getting sick of some of the nerfs that need to be done but aren't and those that shouldn't be done but are.
But I picked up an old sin build recently, the flouring blades one from WIKI and it still works wonders in RA AB TA.

Sakura Az · Nov 15, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I actualy started using AoD now.. came up wiht a chain that works and while it lacks a KD and doesn't always have enought power to kill a target outright. The mobility and versitality is what i've fallen in love with on it.

I was messing around with builds last night and came up with one use florish for the elite.. the build lacks deep wound.. but it was fun to do the combo and then go straight back thru the combo cause of florish.

oh and someone try this out..
[skill]Mark of Instability[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Falling Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]

ensoriki · Nov 15, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Sakura Az

I actualy started using AoD now.. came up wiht a chain that works and while it lacks a KD and doesn't always have enought power to kill a target outright. The mobility and versitality is what i've fallen in love with on it.

I was messing around with builds last night and came up with one use florish for the elite.. the build lacks deep wound.. but it was fun to do the combo and then go straight back thru the combo cause of florish.

oh and someone try this out..
[skill]Mark of Instability[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Falling Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]

The build you just posted is not knew, the only thing new in it is Falling Lotus strike.

Builds working with Mark of instability, appear every couple of months through out time =P

Sakura Az · Nov 15, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

The build you just posted is not knew, the only thing new in it is Falling Lotus strike.

Builds working with Mark of instability, appear every couple of months through out time =P

It's "new" by the way, not "knew"^.^

and yes i'm perfectly aware its not a new build, just no one has mentioned it so i figured i'd post it. besides before BLS was changed to a lead it went Mark>BLS>TF>FS>BoS for the normal mark chain.

ensoriki · Nov 15, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Sakura Az

It's "new" by the way, not "knew"^.^

and yes i'm perfectly aware its not a new build, just no one has mentioned it so i figured i'd post it. besides before BLS was changed to a lead it went Mark>BLS>TF>FS>BoS for the normal mark chain.

Excuse the typo's im not in a pleasant mood today, and thus my spelling suffers.

The first mark of build I ever saw was

BLS TF FS Horns, and you got dual kd'd.

Splitisoda · Nov 15, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Exactly how many builds did assassins that really did heck lot of damage besides SP and AOD?

Omniclasm · Nov 15, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Exactly how many builds did assassins that really did heck lot of damage besides SP and AOD?

Any assassin build that wanted to....

Turtle222 · Nov 15, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

soj sin did a lot of damage

but now they really are weak

ensoriki · Nov 15, 2007, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Exactly how many builds did assassins that really did heck lot of damage besides SP and AOD?

Many, you can find a build that does a "heck of a lot" of damage on any class.
And if you do not find it on PvX wiki, make your own its possible.

AoD sin's existed since Factions release.

There were an ass chucnk of build that Did alot of damage than SP.

Splitisoda lets sit down and have a small chat *takes a chair*

Just because a build can do damage, doesn't mean it will be taken.

People want efficiency, and some of this comes by using Over Powered Synergies of skills, thus an over powered build.
There were many and are many builds that are not SP or AoD builds but do a fair bit of damage.
There just not as efficient.

Sqube · Nov 15, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Bowstring Badass: For your AoD shock build, why not just run TF instead of DB --> Impale? I know you get less damage, but you get deep wound and increased degen.

fireflyry and Cloud5646: Yes. The killing of the instagib sin is the killing of the entire class, everywhere, forever. Can I have some of your stuff when you leave?

In terms of builds that did a lot of damage... most, if not all, sin dagger chains can do a ton of damage. That was never an issue. The issue was getting to your opponent, squeezing in an IAS, and making sure that your opponent couldn't get away from you before you finished him off. Before Nightfall, that's why you saw so many AoD sins with Shock and/or HotO. If you didn't run one of those skills, your opponent would just run away from your spike.

Then Nightfall came out, and made sure that you got to your opponent and they couldn't get away. Fit in an IAS, and wham! 123456Kill. Killing that, ideally, will provide more originality so that more people will have more nifty ideas and stuff like that. I know I had a totally random (and probably craptacular) idea where a support 'sin could use Siphon Strength to severely weaken melee spikes.

Hopefully, once the spike-sin is buried (or made a lot more difficult to run) and Deadly Paradox is neutered (if you don't think this is necessary, [email protected]), we'll see more interesting builds for 'sins in high-level PvP. Until then, get ready for a lot more A/Mo SoJ, I guess.

ensoriki · Nov 15, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

The problem was not squeezing in an IAS

As using an IAS before Nightfall was rather uncommon.

Magikarp · Nov 15, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26

no Ensoriki, thats IS the problem. without the IAS, the entire sp sin idea wouldnt be nearly as viable. it was the rapid fire 12345 design powered by the IAS that makes it so darn strong. before you can react, its all over.

Master Ketsu · Nov 16, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

For anyone who thinks the problem isnt tiger stance on the A/W bar, Go roll and A/W shadow prison without an IAS. See for yourself how often your spike goes through unhindered.

Splitisoda · Nov 16, 2007, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

Many, you can find a build that does a "heck of a lot" of damage on any class.
And if you do not find it on PvX wiki, make your own its possible.

AoD sin's existed since Factions release.

There were an ass chucnk of build that Did alot of damage than SP.

Splitisoda lets sit down and have a small chat *takes a chair*

Just because a build can do damage, doesn't mean it will be taken.

People want efficiency, and some of this comes by using Over Powered Synergies of skills, thus an over powered build.
There were many and are many builds that are not SP or AoD builds but do a fair bit of damage.
There just not as efficient.

Well, what happened was i did create a good build, but what happened was i didnt have a self heal (well sort of) It was high damage, but it just had so many skills in it, that i couldnt heal.

Splitisoda · Nov 16, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Oh and please oh please ANET dont nerf the,i think it was lion stance? I dunno whichever one that gives 33% attack faster for str. I mean, its not JUST used in SP, in fact i remember what i used to do was i made a build that recharged so fast i could use maybe 3 of the skills without in the duratio it lasts. Sides its only 5 sec without str.

placebo overdose · Nov 16, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

really sins deserved it and i could care less so yeah w/e its not like they are obsolete i know the horrors of being creative is intimidating but give it a go you might find something nice in the other 200 skills that have not seen daylight in the past year

Bowstring Badass · Nov 16, 2007, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Sqube

Bowstring Badass: For your AoD shock build, why not just run TF instead of DB --> Impale? I know you get less damage, but you get deep wound and increased degen.

Because TF = less dmg even if does add more degen but who cares it is ab. Rather kill them then rely on degen to kill them.

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Originally Posted by placebo overdose

really sins deserved it and i could care less so yeah w/e its not like they are obsolete i know the horrors of being creative is intimidating but give it a go you might find something nice in the other 200 skills that have not seen daylight in the past year

No reason to own the crap out of HoTo it was not that strong anyway the kd wasn't that consistant really.

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Another QQ thread about HotO.

The skill was broken. At the most, it should have +15 damage at 15 mastery.

I can't believe that people are complaining about the "conditionality" of this skill. Stop trying to attack people that are standing next to other people. This condition is about as easily met as the <50% in "finish him". It's so easily met it's nearly non-existant.

You are just mad you get kd'd every time you get hit with this skill. This skill was not broken compare it to Death Blossom if people were looking for damage rather then a kd skill that required more then pressing 1 then following it up with something. So yeah you = /fail at imba in skills go play assassin more then come back kthxbai nub...