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MBP · Nov 23, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

it's all preference really

you could get comparable aoe for sword

[skill]hundred blades[/skill][skill]sun and moon slash[/skill][skill]whirlwind attack[/skill][skill]splinter weapon[/skill]

granted it won't be as good as axe aoe but if you want aoe take ele heroes/henches so you can frontline better

I'd rather have a dslash save yourselves warrior and eles for aoe anyday

as for axe over sword each has its strengths and weaknesses and once again it's all preference, If you like being able to spam deep wound like crazy go axe, if you wanna be able to spam party buffs and have plenty of adrenaline to spare go sword.

farmpig · Nov 23, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28

I find swords, axes and hammers equally effective. A warrior is only useful if he hits the target.

Bryant Again · Nov 23, 2007, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Cake is not > Pie

Coloneh · Nov 23, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBP

it's all preference really

you could get comparable aoe for sword

[skill]hundred blades[/skill][skill]sun and moon slash[/skill][skill]whirlwind attack[/skill][skill]splinter weapon[/skill]

thats not comparable. thats sad

Ben-A-BoO · Nov 23, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Erhm,
I don't wanna disturb you guyz in making D-Slash the topic of this Thread but I think the OP asked different questions:

It's more about Axes really...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhonour

1) Is it worth switching to axes for pvp and sticking with swords for pve?
2) What are some good mods for axes? What about green axes themselves?
3) What build can i use as a starter with faction and prophecy skills only?

1) Yes it is worth to switch to axe if you wanna PvP. Sword in PvE makes some sense.

The reason why you see many Axe wielding warriors in pvp is because of their spike potential compared to swords which are generally more pressure + condition.

3) Eviscerate is the key skill for the spike of 99.9% axe builds for PvP.
There are tons of axe builds out there that are viable to use.
Just pick one from the following thread:
PvP Axe Builds

2) You need:
- Zealous (Kinslayers - purple Stygian Reaver

; Wing's Axe - Cheap Factions variant)
- Vamp (Razorfins; Drangcrest - only for female warrior's plz)
- Earth (Shocking, ...). Shon's Reaver - Fiery Axe skin; Chor's Axe - Cheap Ebon Axe)

- I sometimes bring Furious out of religious reasons (I still believe it does anything).

Have fun,

oh and to make your choice even harder ... Don't forget the fun of wielding a hammer!

Cheers,
Timebandit

Qdq Swi · Nov 23, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

thats not comparable. thats sad

Its very sad actually... Hundred Blades = baed x9182222837355155155.

Crom The Pale · Nov 23, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Not that I am a fan of Hundred blades but....

If you hit 3 foes with hundred blades + splinter your going to deal around 300 to each of them. (splinter x 5 + sword dmg x2)

Triple chop + Splinter would deal about 200.(splinter x3 + axe dmg)

Though I would still say Hundred blades should never be your first, second, third or fourth choice for an elite on any war build.

Issac · Nov 24, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

I hope these sword builds work well for me, I’m really looking forward to play my war in pvp again and use swords for a change instead of a hammer lol.

Coloneh · Nov 24, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Not that I am a fan of Hundred blades but....

If you hit 3 foes with hundred blades + splinter your going to deal around 300 to each of them. (splinter x 5 + sword dmg x2)

Triple chop + Splinter would deal about 200.(splinter x3 + axe dmg)

Though I would still say Hundred blades should never be your first, second, third or fourth choice for an elite on any war build.

your math broke somewhere, you get the same number of splinter triggers on both weapons, so with the bonus damage from triple chop: axe wins.

A Leprechaun · Nov 24, 2007, 12:42 PM // 12:42

I like hundred blades, the damage isn't amazing but I like how it plays. Its amazing for adrenaline gain its more reliable than Dragon slash in an area with any kind of blocking (You don't have to build up **10** adrenaline again).
Under FGJ! you hit 3 foes with it (Which happens a lot in PvE) and you gain 12 adrenaline... 12! and you can do that every 8 seconds. Not to mention its nice synergy with Conjure skills and Strength and Honour. And its usable straight away, no waiting for adrenaline to build up.
I'm not saying its better than Dragon Slash or Triple Chop but I think it does deserve a mention as an alternative.

~A Leprechaun~

Crom The Pale · Nov 24, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

your math broke somewhere, you get the same number of splinter triggers on both weapons, so with the bonus damage from triple chop: axe wins.

NO. One hundred blades you hit each target 2 times, thus on 3 foes its 6 hits triggering Splinter 5(max) times. Triple chop only hits each target once.

Coloneh · Nov 24, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

NO. One hundred blades you hit each target 2 times, thus on 3 foes its 6 hits triggering Splinter 5(max) times. Triple chop only hits each target once.

so? after 2 swings or one cyclone the sword damage isnt even comparable.

Crom The Pale · Nov 25, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

so? after 2 swings or one cyclone the sword damage isnt even comparable.

Sure using Triple Chop + Cyclone Axe + Splinter does more dmg than just Hundred Blades + Splinter...

Yes 2 attacks of Triple Chop deal more dmg than one of Hundered Blades......

What point are you really trying to make here?

Qdq Swi · Nov 25, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Sure using Triple Chop + Cyclone Axe + Splinter does more dmg than just Hundred Blades + Splinter...

Yes 2 attacks of Triple Chop deal more dmg than one of Hundered Blades......

What point are you really trying to make here?

...That.... Hundred Blades = Baed? And that if you look for only AoE in PvE you should go Axe over Sword? Oh and btw, Triple Chop (1 usage) + Splinter > Hundred Blades (1 usage) + Splinter.

Need I say more..?

Clarissa F · Nov 25, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Sword warrior=pressure.

Axe warrior=fast spike, AoE.

Hammer warrior=interrupt, KD.

Does that sum it up, kinda?

zling · Nov 25, 2007, 10:28 PM // 22:28

actually Trip Chop Warriors are so much better than DSlashers in PvE...
in PvE you almost always have a mob, which is where AoE kicks in. you get plenty of adrenaline from attacking everyone around you, enough for all those defensive shouts that make your entire party into potential tanks. and how is DSlash better than Trip Chop at abusing the overpowered PvE only skills? 1 Trip Chop gives you like 3-5 adrenaline, can also be more than that... follow with Cyclone Axe for another 3-5 adrenaline. follow with the adrenal Whirlind Attack for another 3-5 adrenaline.
so you got 9-15 adrenaline from 3 attacks, how does DSlash beat that?
you dont even need FGJ or all those other things...

as for the original question:
both have different uses, sword is more fit for pressure while axe is more fit towards spikes. but both weapons can do both roles, depends on your build...
personally I like axes more as I think it has a better skill variaty, but if you're into conditions than swords will be your new best friends.

P.S dont forget hammers, they're awsome too!

Kale Ironfist · Nov 25, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Quote:

1 Trip Chop gives you like 3-5 adrenaline, can also be more than that... follow with Cyclone Axe for another 3-5 adrenaline. follow with the adrenal Whirlind Attack for another 3-5 adrenaline.
so you got 9-15 adrenaline from 3 attacks, how does DSlash beat that?

Recharge kills your ability to gain adrenaline, and you're comparing three skills to one. Two if you count "FGJ!". Not only that, but you're also dealing more consistent damage to a single foe with DSlash. Your axe skills are diluting killing power in exchange for higher damage totals.

A Leprechaun · Nov 26, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04

I'm not a big DSlash fan but even I admit that its obvious, if you want to spam "Save Yourselves!" Dslash is the way to go.
Zling your point made no sense, DSlash is obviously better at gaining adrenaline than those 3 skills, which have recharges.

~A Leprechaun~

Dark Paladin X · Nov 26, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by zling

actually Trip Chop Warriors are so much better than DSlashers in PvE...
in PvE you almost always have a mob, which is where AoE kicks in. you get plenty of adrenaline from attacking everyone around you, enough for all those defensive shouts that make your entire party into potential tanks. and how is DSlash better than Trip Chop at abusing the overpowered PvE only skills? 1 Trip Chop gives you like 3-5 adrenaline, can also be more than that... follow with Cyclone Axe for another 3-5 adrenaline. follow with the adrenal Whirlind Attack for another 3-5 adrenaline.
so you got 9-15 adrenaline from 3 attacks, how does DSlash beat that?
you dont even need FGJ or all those other things...

as for the original question:
both have different uses, sword is more fit for pressure while axe is more fit towards spikes. but both weapons can do both roles, depends on your build...
personally I like axes more as I think it has a better skill variaty, but if you're into conditions than swords will be your new best friends.

P.S dont forget hammers, they're awsome too!

Unless if you have a zealous axe, using triple axe and cyclone axe would be energy problem. That's why I prefer dragon slash spammer for spikes. Swords, like Axes, can inflict spike damage as well. You can use Shon's axe or any fiery, icy, shocking axe as a W/E in conjunction with a conjure enchantment for more direct damage. Or if you are using dervish secondary, Ebon Dust Aura would disable other melee professions and rangers easily. But by far, if you still need energy management, you can drop Triple Axe for Warrior's Endurance, which gives 3 energy per attack (or possibly hit). But what I like the most is being a W/Mo and use live vicarously and vigorous spirit together for nice self heal.

Oh for warriors, I would NOT recommend shock, since exhaustion can screw you over.

Crom The Pale · Nov 26, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

...That.... Hundred Blades = Baed? And that if you look for only AoE in PvE you should go Axe over Sword? Oh and btw, Triple Chop (1 usage) + Splinter > Hundred Blades (1 usage) + Splinter.

Need I say more..?

Read my first post, I actually said Hundred blades should not be used in any build.

My statement was to simply display the fact that Hundred Blades + Splinter vs 3 foes deals more dmg than Triple Chop +Splinter vs 3 foes.

That is a fact. It does not mean that hundred blades is better than Triple chop.

Please read all my posts rather than just one responce to somebody else then post your coments.