Curse

Painbringer · Nov 27, 2007, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Monk or Dervish secondary which in your opinion is better?

[skill]vigorous spirit[/skill] and [skill]restful breeze[/skill] Healing while attacking and great healing when not also the ability to add a resurrection spell.

[skill]Vital Boon[/skill] or [skill]aura of thorns[/skill] and [skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill] constant healing and other options for conditions.

Both secondaries will have to worry about enchantment rips

Personally I see dervish as a better choice at least for me. Especially when you mix the long lasting cost enchantments with +20% enchantment handle. Not much of an energy concern since you are constantly able to attack.

Pyro maniac · Nov 27, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

restfull breeze is probably the only healing skill worth taking

Jaigoda · Nov 27, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Dervish I guess, though I'd rather have Ele or Rit...

Abedeus · Nov 27, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Yep. Vig spirit is kinda lame. Sand Shards work only with Scythes. Mystic Regen is too much ene, even for Assassin, class with the greatest e-management in the world.

Jaigoda · Nov 27, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

WTF you talking about, Abedeus? Mystic Regen is one of the only good Derv skills for assassin. About a third of all MBlossom builds use it. And the profession with the best e-management is Necro. 30+ energy in 15 seconds, just from sitting on the midline. But yeah, think a bit before you post.

Pyro maniac · Nov 27, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda

WTF you talking about, Abedeus? Mystic Regen is one of the only good Derv skills for assassin. About a third of all MBlossom builds use it.

Doesn't mean it's good

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda

And the profession with the best e-management is Necro. 30+ energy in 15 seconds, just from sitting on the midline.

Try Paragon ..

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But yeah, think a bit before you post.

same for you

Diddy bow · Nov 27, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Vig sucks, and i think mystic regen is a bit of a waste. Restful aint bad though but A/D can do WAY better things than heal.

Tyla · Nov 27, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

go for restful

Jaigoda · Nov 27, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

Doesn't mean it's good

Doesn't mean it's not, 'eh? And actually, it is pretty damn good. I prefer WoP with CS myself, but MR's still a good choice.

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Try Paragon ..

Paragon's isn't as powerful because it requires you to be using shouts and chants. Necro on the other hand, allows you to do very nearly ANYTHING you want to do. It'd be like saying that Dervs have the best e-management because they gain lots of energy if allies spam enchants on them.

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same for you

I'm not the one who has four words or less per reply....

Painbringer · Nov 27, 2007, 08:08 PM // 20:08

One thing you got to love about the sin forum you all reply with daggers Ouch..

Edited post Took out [skill]sand shards[/skill] slaps head

Pyro maniac · Nov 27, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda

Doesn't mean it's not, 'eh? And actually, it is pretty damn good. I prefer WoP with CS myself, but MR's still a good choice.

Was not referring to the skill itself, but the useless argument: one third of all moebius builds use it.
1/3 of al the Warrior builds in PvE use healing hands. That means it's good, no?

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda

Paragon's isn't as powerful because it requires you to be using shouts and chants. Necro on the other hand, allows you to do very nearly ANYTHING you want to do. It'd be like saying that Dervs have the best e-management because they gain lots of energy if allies spam enchants on them.

Spamming Watch Yourself and Go For the Eyes isn't hard, you can actually control your energy more directly

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I'm not the one who has four words or less per reply....

ok

ensoriki · Nov 27, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

In Pve Necro's have the best Natural Energy management.

A necro does not need to do anything to get energy back.

Paragon's must have adrenaline/ energy and use that.

Sin's must be attacking,etc.

If your getting energy for doing nothing? And its pretty much all the energy you need every 15 seconds?

>.> hmm.

ensoriki · Nov 27, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

No Locust fury with Vigarious?

Lame.
Thats the only time I do use that =P

craigrs84 · Nov 27, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

Was not referring to the skill itself, but the useless argument: one third of all moebius builds use it.
1/3 of al the Warrior builds in PvE use healing hands. That means it's good, no?

Spamming Watch Yourself and Go For the Eyes isn't hard, you can actually control your energy more directly

ok

stop arguing over stupid stuff, we all know that its a great skill/build for PVE, regardless of how many builds use it. you just can't beat the crazy regen, perma ias, and perma 75% block combined with insane dps from death blossom.

dont even try to compare it to a healing hands warrior.

ensoriki · Nov 27, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Damn, its getting hot in here.

Not long before something catches fire!

Bowstring Badass · Nov 27, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Neither imo would rather use an IAS for pvp.

Coloneh · Nov 28, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

MS + DB + crit agility + crit defenses + mystic regen = PvE /resigns

[M]agna_[C]arta · Nov 28, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

I actually have a build for both A/Mo and A/D^^.
The AD is used for Heavy Multi-Damage.
And the A/Mo is good in survival.
Try getting, Vigor Spirit and Live Vicorously with Golden Skill and Death Blossom with Mobious Strike and Critical Strike^^.
It's really fun especially with Critical Defences.
And the A/D just get a schyte with Kurzick Derv Skill, Way of Assassin, Master and some Scyhte attack.
Causing Heavy Damage^^.
Scythe+Scythe Attack+Crit Damage+??% more damage = 100+ Damage each strike^^.
But those Rits with Daggers are better^^.

Jaigoda · Nov 28, 2007, 05:43 AM // 05:43

Vigorous Spirit + Live Vicariously (spelling correctly makes you look a lot smarter) = Way of Perfection. Might not be QUITE as much healing (comes close if you've got 12+ DM and CS, with Crit Eye in there), but it frees up your secondary, gives an extra pip of energy, and only takes up one slot. Plus, VS+LV makes you look like a paladin idiot.