Curse

sky1024 · Nov 23, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

Mantra of frost is a core skill you can simply get it at a skill trainer unless you have bought many skills thus it will be cheap.

Which skill trainer? What city/town? It won't be those high end skill trainers where you have to get to pretty much end of end game to get right?(ahh I see. Kaineng center.)

Right now I have A/Me. 6 Domination magic(going switch to inspiration for mantra of frost) 9 dagger mastery +1 mask. and 6 shadow arts.Level 13.

Wielding NPC crafted armor (Seitung) brought from the seitung harbor.

55 Armor a piece

Maxed green weapon. Calws of motherbrood or something similar to that. 7-17 damage. 15^50. Extends poisoning duration by 33%(Stacking).30+ health.

My skill build is something like this.

Jagged Strike(Causes bleeding.LEad attack)

Fox fangs( off hand.cannot be blocked and causes 5....25+ damage)

Death Blossom(dual attack. Strikes foe for 20+.....40 damage and strikes all adjacent take 20-40 damage. Love when I get crits with this skill. I see A lot of numbers with a lot of digits.)

Shadow Refuge.(5....9 health regen and 20.....68 health if attacking.6 seconds

Cloud of distress.(If you are blow 50% HP you have a 75% chance to block all attacks 32 seconds.

Power spike. (Cast this on a monster doing a chant or spell and do 60 damage to him and interupts skill. Gonna switch this with something else soon.

Empathy(Everytime a foe attacks it takes 32 or more damage.)

Ressurection signet.

horseradish · Nov 23, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

If your daggers have a poisonous mod, i'd use an attack that has poison. At your stats, the condition would be applied for about 20 seconds. 4 pips of degen for twenty seconds is 160 d.o.t. i believe.

Power Spike is nice, but if you want an interrupt, Disrupting dagger ftw. You don't even need points in DA.

Empathy is just not my cup of Grey Goose.

If i were in your position, i'd use a degen condition build with Epidemic.

I, personally, wouldn't use Cloud of Distress. If i find myself with problems, i use Return.

How far in the game are you? btw.

Coloneh · Nov 23, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

get points in your critical strikes attribute. right now.

Tyla · Nov 23, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by sky1024

Which skill trainer? What city/town? It won't be those high end skill trainers where you have to get to pretty much end of end game to get right?(ahh I see. Kaineng center.)

Right now I have A/Me. 6 Domination magic(going switch to inspiration for mantra of frost) 9 dagger mastery +1 mask. and 6 shadow arts.Level 13.

Wielding NPC crafted armor (Seitung) brought from the seitung harbor.

55 Armor a piece

Maxed green weapon. Calws of motherbrood or something similar to that. 7-17 damage. 15^50. Extends poisoning duration by 33%(Stacking).30+ health.

My skill build is something like this.

Jagged Strike(Causes bleeding.LEad attack)

Fox fangs( off hand.cannot be blocked and causes 5....25+ damage)

Death Blossom(dual attack. Strikes foe for 20+.....40 damage and strikes all adjacent take 20-40 damage. Love when I get crits with this skill. I see A lot of numbers with a lot of digits.)

Shadow Refuge.(5....9 health regen and 20.....68 health if attacking.6 seconds

Cloud of distress.(If you are blow 50% HP you have a 75% chance to block all attacks 32 seconds.

Power spike. (Cast this on a monster doing a chant or spell and do 60 damage to him and interupts skill. Gonna switch this with something else soon.

Empathy(Everytime a foe attacks it takes 32 or more damage.)

Ressurection signet.

you should really be speccing critstrikes for energy management,though
kick empathy for critical eye and power spike for mantra of frost when you can imo(and you can also unlock skills at any trader by unlocking with balthazar faction)

sky1024 · Nov 23, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Kay I dumped all Domination magic stats into Inspiration for mantra of frost. Those were my temporary Shing Jea island skills guys don't make a big fuss out of it.And I'm level 14:6 Inspiration.:10 dagger mastery.:7 Shadow arts. Rest into critical or what? DO I really need it?

Tyla · Nov 23, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by sky1024

Rest into critical or what? DO I really need it?

critstrikes is your energy management,i think its:1 energy from crits at three ranks.2 energy from critsd at eight ranks.3 energy from crits at 13 ranks

sky1024 · Nov 23, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

And so i'm distributing to all 4 stats...Mantra of Frost....I've been told to get that for defence agaisnt the afflicted. Do they do Cold damage or what?'

is anyone actually gonna answer my freaking question of whether afflicted do cold damage or what?

ensoriki · Nov 23, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

To save your skill points do this

13 critical strikes (12+1)
13 dagger mastery (11+1+1)
you should pump the rest into shadow arts.

Take pugs (OMFG wtf Pugs) with a Winter ranger if you can.
Then take Mantra of Frost (rest of your attributes into inspiration).
And your good to go.

or Just go Pure sin, you won't use your secondary much as an assassin unless A/mo A/W or farming.
A/mo and A/W are not necessary.
And generally many assassins fair better without use of their secondary at all.
The mesmer part of you is just there for support in certain areas.
In which case the Mantra's are useful, among other skills the mesmer offers.
However you will generally not use your Mesmer secondary alot
You wouldn't use any secondary alot unless in a specific build.

Also Get nightfall and prophecies to boost your efficiency 10 fold.

sky1024 · Nov 23, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Okay so my second proffesion is useless to me.I've become a damned pure sin. So whats the point of assasins even having a second proffesion if they fail in every way if they don't become a pure sin????!?!??

ensoriki · Nov 23, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by sky1024

Okay so my second proffesion is useless to me.I've become a damned pure sin. So whats the point of assasins even having a second proffesion if they fail in every way if they don't become a pure sin????!?!??

They don't fail.
However its better if you get used to the core mechanics of your class before you worry about secondary anything.

sky1024 · Nov 23, 2007, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Level 17. When I'm level 20 do I basically just go pure sin and forget about my secondary prof for the rest of my life or do I start using it?

ensoriki · Nov 23, 2007, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by sky1024

Level 17. When I'm level 20 do I basically just go pure sin and forget about my secondary prof for the rest of my life or do I start using it?

Start using it once about level 20 and you've done ALL the attribute quests.

Don't use it for the sake of using it however.
Use it because you need it =P

Vexed · Nov 23, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

You're thinking about your secondary in entirely the wrong way. You don't want to be an assassin that is also a mesmer and try to run skills from both professions. As a primary assassin, you should always be using mostly assassin skills.

Your secondary should provide one or two skills that will augment your build or your survivability better than simply taking 8 sin skills. Hence the mantra of frost suggestion: One skill to increase survivability against the Afflicted. I wouldn't run anything else from the mesmer line.

Other examples of good secondary usage:
Mo/E running only Glyph of Lesser Energy from the Elementalist line.
N/Me running only Arcane Echo from the Mesmer line.

Spreading yourself thin by using too many skills from your secondary results in an ineffective build. Focus on your primary and look for one or two non-sin skills to help it along.

Coloneh · Nov 23, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Vexed

You're thinking about your secondary in entirely the wrong way. You don't want to be an assassin that is also a mesmer and try to run skills from both professions. As a primary assassin, you should always be using mostly assassin skills.

Your secondary should provide one or two skills that will augment your build or your survivability better than simply taking 8 sin skills. Hence the mantra of frost suggestion: One skill to increase survivability against the Afflicted. I wouldn't run anything else from the mesmer line.

Other examples of good secondary usage:
Mo/E running only Glyph of Lesser Energy from the Elementalist line.
N/Me running only Arcane Echo from the Mesmer line.

Spreading yourself thin by using too many skills from your secondary results in an ineffective build. Focus on your primary and look for one or two non-sin skills to help it along.

qft

and gets my vote for post of the week

Kale Ironfist · Nov 24, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by sky1024

And so i'm distributing to all 4 stats...Mantra of Frost....I've been told to get that for defence agaisnt the afflicted. Do they do Cold damage or what?'

is anyone actually gonna answer my freaking question of whether afflicted do cold damage or what?

Not anymore. So don't bother using Mantra of Frost as a defence vs Afflicted Soul Explosion.

sky1024 · Nov 24, 2007, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

Not anymore. So don't bother using Mantra of Frost as a defence vs Afflicted Soul Explosion.

Hmm right. So what skills are worth using for A/Me

ensoriki · Nov 24, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

Quite a few, of course some of them are simply gimmick builds.

Depending on where you are in the world of tyria
[card]Mantra of frost[/card]
[card]Mantra of Earth[/card]
[card]Mantra of Flame[/card]
[card]Mantra of lightning[/card]
[card]Elemental resistance[/card]
[card]Physical resistance[/card]
Other purposes
[card]BackFire[/card], backfire sins are uncommon, and are slow do to backfires long activation but they are somewhat decent at hurting casters. Generally a bad idea for Pve and only a moderate idea for pvp.
[card]Empathy[/card], melee equivalent of Backfire
[card]Arcane Echo[/card]
[card]Echo[/card]
[card]Illusionary Weaponry[/card], the best use is to have it on a hero and arcane mimicry it while having locust fury on
[card]Illusion of weakness[/card] not common, but usable
The above examples are generally not the greatest examples in the world. These are currently at the top of my head with little thought put into them

Check PvXwiki.com or Gw.gamewikis.org and search through the mesmer skill line to see what interest you.

Remember, you are an assassin.
The assassin class is a melee class with a little mesmer touch already implemented into them. Remember to use your assassin skills and secondary skills only to augment them or for support.

Or you could take 1 of the many interrupts from the mesmer line.

The mesmer does not provide much functions for the assassin, however what it does can be efficient enough for pve, or very reusable for pve.

Bobby2 · Nov 24, 2007, 04:12 AM // 04:12

I play A/W mostly. Not for Tiger Stance.

[skill]Arcane echo[/skill]... when A/Me is the only thing worth it at the top of my head.

In the Inspiration line, there's also [skill]channeling[/skill][skill]drain enchantment[/skill][skill]energy drain[/skill][skill]energy tap[/skill][skill]ether signet[/skill][skill]keystone signet[/skill], etc. etc.
so there's plenty of food for an Assacaster.

poobert · Nov 25, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

A/mo
Even with a pure sin you can take restful breeze with barely any points in healing(or whatever it is) and it is still pretty decent after the uber buff it got. And to top it of it teaches people not to keep attacking with an assassin when they need to heal/run.

sky1024 · Nov 25, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Pure sin.

12 dagger mastery+1 mask
7 shadow mastery
10 criticals(GOnna buy runes for it)

A full seitung armor set. It's not maxed its the 55 or 50 armor level one. Except the mask and gloves which are. No runes added.

Shiros blades,Claws of broodmother(Green daggers I use)

GOnna aim for moebius strike Elite.

Jagged Spike
Wild Blow
Death blossom
Shadow refuge
Way of perfection
Critical eye
Critical defences
Dash.

What's a good farming place in Cantha that I can aim for? Don't suggest Tyria or Elona unless all the places in Cantha are absolute crap(I mean like farm for 5 hours and come up with 40 G in gold drops, and 2 white items) /endexaggeration