Curse

ensoriki · Nov 12, 2007, 12:42 PM // 12:42

We the mercenary's who look better and get payed more than the warrior, the assassin,assassin's follow a chain. A chain of command!
L-O-D has been almost dead, except for some cases in pvp.
In Pve, people wont run it either because skipping to get to your MB DB combo is better.

Few lead's are that great anymore

Black mantis strike- Good for the cripple, and a black Combo starter.

Leaping mantis strike - not that great actually, mantis does it better.

Unsuspecting - One trick pony, than its the pony who won't leave your energy alone.

Dancing daggers: Good Lead attack, strong against casters activation to slow it down. Nice.

Iron palm: Interesting, not to amazing though.

Jagged strike: Bleeding is not that great if you do pathetic damage >.>

Golden Lotus: Not bad, A Free attack if you have an enchant.

Golden Fox: Not bad either, not great, its just average for a skill.

Desperate Strike: Not great, You have to hurt yourself or use an attack thats weaker than Jagged strike unless the condition is met!

Im probably missing 1 or 2.
but the point is out of these, here are the main leads of intrest

Golden Fox strike: Bypasses block

Unsuspecting- one of the original Sin Lead's used even to today (very uncommon though)

Dancing daggers: Better than unsuspecting strike, constant strong damage, 5 energy. Has a 1 second activation however which makes it slow and easier to interrupt. 5 second recharge. 4 second combo's work best with it.
Like DD Wild- Shattering etc.

Black mantis strike: The Black line is always popular and I doubt this 1 is going to die soon.

So out of all the sin lead attacks, 4 are really worth using. The other ones aren't worth it basically.

thats in pvp in pve.

Golden Fox strike
Black mantis
DD

Unsuspecting cost to much energy for the mobs in pve. Black mantis however, you do not generally require cripple in pve.
So the true ones worth using are GFS and DD, but a DD + dagger sin is not very likely in pve.

GFS wins as best lead for pve.
And a good lead for pvp.
IMO

What would you do for lead attacks?

crucifix · Nov 12, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

you were banned for spamming weren't you....

Bobby2 · Nov 12, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Lead attack PvE: Golden Fox Strike. To me, unblockability = yummy.

Lead attack PvP: ...

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Leaping mantis strike - not that great actually, mantis does it better.

Well, Leaping Mantis STING for me. I have yet to find better, because this one does it all. I use it with Shadow Walk (Dash cancel) and that means I can always (read: ALWAYS) catch an enemy moving. No Hex = no warning, as opposed to the Black version.

Not to diss BMT completely though, but then again, when you got access to the Black offhands why bother?

I'm not done with you...

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Dancing daggers: Good Lead attack, strong against casters activation to slow it down. Nice.

Iron palm: Interesting, not to amazing though.

I don't get your comment to DD. I get that it's slow itself, but the only upside to it is that it negates Blind.

Iron Palm gives a KD. A KD! Whaddyamean not too amazing? The only reason people are not running it is because it's impractical to invest in both Deadly Arts and Dagger Mastery (as you have done

). As for standard DA Sins, the ranged aspect of DD is what tipped the balance (but I despise DA Sins to a level you could not begin to understand).

Sqube · Nov 12, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

As far as I'm concerned, if I'm doing L-O-D in PvE, it's Golden Fox Strike. Period. There's nothing else.

For that matter, Wild Strike is my only offhand in PvE. You need quick recharges, that gets through blocks and then strips stances. What else do you need?

Jaigoda · Nov 12, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

An AoE splash dual attack that you can loop indefinitely, maybe?

Issac · Nov 12, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

I prefer Golden Fox strike. Recharge isn't to long so its good.

Gambit Shinobi · Nov 14, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

I use Jagged Strike for regular occasions and to spam L-O-D attacks.

I use Sneak Attack (which you forgot to mention) to blind hard-hitting mobs for a perma-blind effect.

I use Golden Fox Strike for some extra damage and if I want to kill things faster but the high recharge kinda sucks.

I use Golden Phoenix Strike to farm and for extra damage like GFS.

Yeah, that's basically all any Sin ever needs for Lead Attacks...

cellardweller · Nov 14, 2007, 04:39 AM // 04:39

My old combo was:
Promise->Black Spider->Death Blossom->Black Lotus->Death Blossom
Post nerf I'll probably go with:
Promise->Black Spider->Death Blossom->Golden Phoenix->Death Blossom

Leads FTL =)

Sqube · Nov 15, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Gambit Shinobi

I use Jagged Strike for regular occasions and to spam L-O-D attacks.

I use Sneak Attack (which you forgot to mention) to blind hard-hitting mobs for a perma-blind effect.

I use Golden Fox Strike for some extra damage and if I want to kill things faster but the high recharge kinda sucks.

I use Golden Phoenix Strike to farm and for extra damage like GFS.

Yeah, that's basically all any Sin ever needs for Lead Attacks...

Emphasis added. Since when does Golden Fox Strike have a long recharge? The offhand with the quickest recharge that isn't repeating striks has a recharge of 4 seconds. Golden Fox Strike has a recharge time of 4 seconds.

What's so bad about that?

Bowstring Badass · Nov 15, 2007, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

My old combo was:
Promise->Black Spider->Death Blossom->Black Lotus->Death Blossom
Post nerf I'll probably go with:
Promise->Black Spider->Death Blossom->Golden Phoenix->Death Blossom

Leads FTL =)

Guess what Black Lotus Strike = lead now lol

Bobby2 · Nov 15, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Guess what Black Lotus Strike = lead now lol

That's like, EXACTLY what he was trying to convey. 'post-nerf'. Wark! Waaarrk!

Captain Arne Is PRO · Nov 15, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

The lead attacks, nowadays, are about as good as your Engrish. Not very.

Ensoriki man love? ^.....^

Leaping Mantis Sting is my cup of tea.

ensoriki · Nov 15, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Im used to it being called Strike >.>...since so many sin skills end with strike

And I guess my english does suck, Oh well =P, as long as I don't fail the class.

Jaigoda · Nov 15, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

Considering your builds... I think you've got the worst of both worlds.

ensoriki · Nov 15, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Jaigoda

Considering your builds... I think you've got the worst of both worlds.

Hmmm, maybe so.

Gambit Shinobi · Nov 15, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by Sqube

Emphasis added. Since when does Golden Fox Strike have a long recharge? The offhand with the quickest recharge that isn't repeating striks has a recharge of 4 seconds. Golden Fox Strike has a recharge time of 4 seconds.

What's so bad about that?

I got it mixed up with Golden Phoenix recharge. I meant to say GPS had a long recharge.

Even so, Golden Fox takes much longer to recharge than Jagged, which I use most of the time. I only use GFS when I want to kill a bit faster and/or if I'm fighting mobs that don't bleed.

Sqube · Nov 15, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

I understand that Golden Fox's recharge is longer than Jagged, but if you're using a lead, you're probably using an offhand. If you're using an offhand, you're limited by its recharge.

So why not just go ahead and bring an attack that has +26 damage (at 12DM)? Unless you've got a warrior equipped with Gash, of course, in which case it makes sense to spread the bleeding to everyone yourself and let him/her Gash away. Saves another skill slot on your warrior's bar for raw damage (Sun & Moon, Galrath, Soldier's, whatever).

Splitisoda · Nov 16, 2007, 11:29 AM // 11:29

Jagged Strike is in fact good, I remember i used an energy management sin build which also packed a decent punch. It went something like...

JaggedStrike>(dont remember melee that hits crit)>Wild Strike>NineTailStrike>Moebius Strike> and Critical Strike

Coloneh · Nov 16, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Jagged Strike is in fact good, I remember i used an energy management sin build which also packed a decent punch. It went something like...

JaggedStrike>(dont remember melee that hits crit)>Wild Strike>NineTailStrike>Moebius Strike> and Critical Strike

that build has no "punch", at all

Sqube · Nov 16, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Splitisoda, you're thinking of [skill]Malicious Strike[/skill]. And that build is solid for PvE because nothing has a long recharge. Other than that, I don't see what recommends it over MS/DB spam, or just bringing a bunch of duals, one offhand, and Moebius.