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Spazzer · Nov 08, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

They are 20% mods, not 16% mods.

I'll try to simplify it for you.

The chance to trigger one is 20% (1 in 5)
The chance to trigger the other is 20% (1 in 5)
The chance to trigger both is 4% (1 in 25)
You cannot trigger both without triggering one or the other.

20 + 20 - 4 = 36

36% to trigger one. 4% to trigger both. Yay math!

Gigashadow · Nov 08, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spazzer

They are 20% mods, not 16% mods.

I'll try to simplify it for you.

The chance to trigger one is 20% (1 in 5)
The chance to trigger the other is 20% (1 in 5)
The chance to trigger both is 4% (1 in 25)
You cannot trigger both without triggering one or the other.

20 + 20 - 4 = 36

36% to trigger one. 4% to trigger both. Yay math!

It is 32% to trigger one and only one, 36% to trigger at least one, and 4% to trigger both.

Here's a handy diagram showing a trial of the 25 possibilities:

Code:

 12345
1XBBBB
2A----
3A----
4A----
5A----

A = Only A triggers
B = Only B triggers
X = Both A and B trigger

A triggers 20% of the time; 1 in 5 times (AAAAX)
B triggers 20% of the time; 1 in 5 times (BBBBX)
Both A and B trigger together 4% of the time; 1 in 25 times (X)

The number of times that at least A or B triggers is 9. Therefore there is a 9/25 probability (36%) of at least one triggering. There is a 8/25 probability (32%) of one and only one triggering. There is a 16/25 (64%) probability that neither trigger.

deluxe · Nov 08, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Unlike recharge mods which no longer stack, fast cast mods still stack and you get a 4% chance of getting a super fast cast. Those super casts are awesome.

Wtf when did this change? I feel totally stupid for taking 40/40 sets for LoD spams by reading this

Gigashadow · Nov 08, 2007, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by deluxe

Wtf when did this change? I feel totally stupid for taking 40/40 sets for LoD spams by reading this

Half Skill Recharge mods do stack, but if both would have procced at the same time (a 4% chance), you still only get 50% of normal recharge time, rather than the superfast 25% of normal recharge time. So it's still quite useful.

deluxe · Nov 08, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Half Skill Recharge mods do stack, but if both would have procced at the same time (a 4% chance), you still only get 50% of normal recharge time, rather than the superfast 25% of normal recharge time. So it's still quite useful.

Ah yeah, I just misread. I remember that nerf now

I still have the 36% chance on a half recharge time.

JoeKnowMo · Nov 08, 2007, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

With both mods you therefore get 4%*.25 + 32%*.5 + 64%*1, or 81% of normal average casting time, or a 19% reduction.

That's an interesting way of putting it. It makes the effect of the mods weaker than what I would have predicted without doing the math.

Spazzer · Nov 08, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Code:

 12345
1XBBBB
2A----
3A----
4A----
5A----

I see it now. That makes sense.

Chase the Sky · Nov 09, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spazzer

I see it now. That makes sense.

Yay for math?