Curse

Mist Walker Skarloc · Nov 12, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Why the lack of attack skills? I see no Vow of Strength.

Snow Bunny · Nov 12, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Ok, loads of people have so far said that AoB is nub.
Ill prove that it isnt in this build.

With him I dont have to use 2 skill slots, the stance for +24 armor and a speed boost. Now with him if i use Heart Of Fury, ill catch up to my enemy, and slash against my enemy with scythe. And i hit like 80s with regular attacks with an increased 33% attack speed, they die in seconds.

I am comfortable with this build, and even though i have about like 300 NORMAL hp with vital boon i get +100 max, which sums up to 400 hp.

The problem was i was going to use Dwayana, but then i would have 2 get an additional 2 skills for speed boost + armor.

Sides, when you live against a Shadow Prison build, it makes you feel a bit good

I liek to use blinding surge

o noes, u r blind?

how u kill me?

iridescentfyre · Nov 12, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Ok, loads of people have so far said that AoB is nub.
Ill prove that it isnt in this build.

With him I dont have to use 2 skill slots, the stance for +24 armor and a speed boost. Now with him if i use Heart Of Fury, ill catch up to my enemy, and slash against my enemy with scythe. And i hit like 80s with regular attacks with an increased 33% attack speed, they die in seconds.

I am comfortable with this build, and even though i have about like 300 NORMAL hp with vital boon i get +100 max, which sums up to 400 hp.

The problem was i was going to use Dwayana, but then i would have 2 get an additional 2 skills for speed boost + armor.

Sides, when you live against a Shadow Prison build, it makes you feel a bit good

You're not looking at the whole picture. Yes, AoB gives you "two skills in one," but you didn't really need those two in the first place. You can have 500+ hp before Vital Boon, do much more than 80 damage per critical hit, and still die less than you think you will by taking a better build. Surviving against SP assassins isn't really all that hard and doesn't mean much about your build.. your intervention enchantment(s) alone will do that much.

People say AoB is a horrible elite because it simply is. It gives you nothing remotely useful in a PvP setting that you can't get from a non-elite, and there's much better options for your elite slot.

e.g.
[skill]Reaper's Sweep[/skill][skill]Ebon Dust Aura[/skill][skill]Vow of Strength[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill]

Splitisoda · Nov 12, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I liek to use blinding surge

o noes, u r blind?

how u kill me?

o noes, im just gonna have to rely on my regen, that 10% chance to hit, my +40 armor, and 200 healing when vital boon ends, and faithful and watchful intervention and i can always redo all these enchants. Im so doomed to you.

Bassu · Nov 12, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Basically, if you really want to run an avatar build in AB, your choice is either [skill]Avatar of Dwayna[/skill] or [skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill].

Personally, I'd go with Dwayna - there's nothing more pleasant than watching this poor SS Necro trying to hex you to death... ^^

Snow Bunny · Nov 12, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

o noes, im just gonna have to rely on my regen, that 10% chance to hit, my +40 armor, and 200 healing when vital boon ends, and faithful and watchful intervention and i can always redo all these enchants. Im so doomed to you.

I don't think you quite understood me.

I can blind you.
My necro friend with strip your enchants
Then my warrior friend will eviscerate you.

My point was that you have no utility whatsoever. You have some regen, and some armor.

Nothing else.

~ Dan ~ · Nov 12, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I don't think you quite understood me.

I can blind you.
My necro friend with strip your enchants
Then my warrior friend will eviscerate you.

My point was that you have no utility whatsoever. You have some regen, and some armor.

Nothing else.

Note that he also didn't mention condition removal in reply to your blinding

That really is a oh noes.

Sirius-NZ · Nov 13, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Another important thing to remember, especially for PvP: superior runes are not worth the HP loss. They just aren't.

You can get away with 1 major, maybe 2 if you really have to but I don't see why... try to keep your HP high - as a melee class you'll need it.

While you can't easily get the +40 armor boost of AoB with other skills, you can get somewhat close with Conviction, and you can actually maintain it! Otherwise, people will wait until AoB fades and then hit you.

- Tain - · Nov 13, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

Otherwise, people will wait until AoB fades and then hit you.

Or, in this case, just ignore you because you can't do shit for damage and are more easily shut down than a waffle.

Splitisoda · Nov 13, 2007, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I don't think you quite understood me.

I can blind you.
My necro friend with strip your enchants
Then my warrior friend will eviscerate you.

My point was that you have no utility whatsoever. You have some regen, and some armor.

Nothing else.

And you will also have 3 people required to do this... And its not like enchantments cant be used once taken off...

Sirius-NZ · Nov 13, 2007, 11:43 AM // 11:43

...yeah, I suppose I would probably ignore an AoB. Usually go for the "squishy" targets first since they are the highest threat, then rangers/warriors/whatever... AoB tank wouldn't really register until everything else was dead.

blurmedia · Nov 13, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I liek to use blinding surge

o noes, u r blind?

how u kill me?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splitisoda

o noes, im just gonna have to rely on my regen, that 10% chance to hit, my +40 armor, and 200 healing when vital boon ends, and faithful and watchful intervention and i can always redo all these enchants. Im so doomed to you.

Scrim. Now.

I but my money on bunny. more bets anyone?

Faena · Nov 13, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

And you will also have 3 people required to do this... And its not like enchantments cant be used once taken off...

Which is somehow strange is that you ask people if your build is good, and when they say that no, you don't listen and try to convince them without, I guess, even trying the other builds.

Survivability is of course really important in AB, moving speed is too. However killing speed is still important. You can't cap a shrine while NPCs are still alive, and well maybe you can cap shrines with your builds, but it will take so long to kill NPCs that the probability that some players come and kill you is really high.
Try to pack some more offense in your build, and think that bar compression is not the most important thing for Dervs in AB, 8 skill slots (and no rez needed) is just plenty for you to get some utility, some defense, and some offense. All you need is an IAS, a self-heal, a running skill, and 2 attacks (maybe including a snare). You still have room for armor increasing, condition dealing.
Then try to build with having everything, that will make you kill faster, survive just as well, and be a lot more flexible.

In a fight against players, your current build can completly negated by a monk casting RoF. Also a single cripple and you are completly useless, let alone a hex snare.

~ Dan ~ · Nov 13, 2007, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by blurmedia

Scrim. Now.

I but my money on bunny. more bets anyone?

Yea me! Who needs farming when i can put bets on snow bunny to own him?

candyman_sb · Nov 13, 2007, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I don't think you quite understood me.

I can blind you.
My necro friend with strip your enchants
Then my warrior friend will eviscerate you.

My point was that you have no utility whatsoever. You have some regen, and some armor.

Nothing else.

Thats not fair, 3 vs 1.

But yeah, in a real team fight that derv is not even worth blinding unless you have nothing better to do.

BlackSephir · Nov 13, 2007, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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So am i a noob for this build?

You're running a build that has no damage in AB, you're using AoB.... Well, yea!

Ok, let's take Grenz for example and see which shrine could you cap alone.
Mesmers- shatter ench and ur dead
Eles- you'll be dead before you'll get in the meele range
Rangers- maybe!
Necros- Desecreate Enchants, Faint, PB... GG
Warriors- healing sig > your "damage"
And Rez shrines- lol wut, you want to kill a monk? How?

So cool, you've got 33% faster running, shitty amount of hp, some regen and, well, what exactly is your role in AB? You just roun around, piss off some lame sp sins?

Splitisoda · Nov 14, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

You're running a build that has no damage in AB, you're using AoB.... Well, yea!

Ok, let's take Grenz for example and see which shrine could you cap alone.
Mesmers- shatter ench and ur dead
Eles- you'll be dead before you'll get in the meele range
Rangers- maybe!
Necros- Desecreate Enchants, Faint, PB... GG
Warriors- healing sig > your "damage"
And Rez shrines- lol wut, you want to kill a monk? How?

So cool, you've got 33% faster running, shitty amount of hp, some regen and, well, what exactly is your role in AB? You just roun around, piss off some lame sp sins?

Out of all those, i kill the mes, rangers, necros, and warriors, and sometimes monks unless there are 2.

- Tain - · Nov 14, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

And how many hours did that take? Look... everyone here agrees that your build just plain sucks and many people have suggested better alternatives. Stop being defensive, try them - take some advice. We're not all wrong. And if you come here ASKING if your build is bad, only to refuse to see anyone else's point of view... looks pretty stupid, no?

Vulkanyaz · Nov 14, 2007, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Well, the SP sin was right wasn't he? ^-^

BlackSephir · Nov 14, 2007, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Out of all those, i kill the mes, rangers, necros, and warriors, and sometimes monks unless there are 2.

Alone? Hard to believe since warriors have healing signet, necros parasitic bond + faint and even 0.25 of a monk is enough to outlive this build