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horseradish · Nov 16, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51

I'm guessing it doesn't need a Lead attack since it doesn't have the "Must follow a lead attack" discription, but is it worth the elite slot?

I just started my assassin, and want to know if it's a good elite until i can cap a better one.

moriz · Nov 16, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

not really, especially when you can get lead-skipping offhand attacks that are not elite, and doesn't require you to spec alot into another attribute to get a lot out of it.

MercenaryK · Nov 17, 2007, 12:33 AM // 00:33

True. I've tried using it recently and the few benefits you get out of it is that it's a touch so it will connect, and will get around being Blind. Neither does it have requirements like all other off-hand attacks.

The downside, like the previous poster said, you need a high Critical Strike attribute to get decent damage out of it, and it's an elite. Also Palm Strike cannot perform a critical, thus there's no energy management with it unlike all other dagger skills (due to critical hits).

The off-hand dagger skills besides Palm Strike can do more damage due to your daggers and the +damage from the skill itself.

Try to capture another elite whenever you can. Palm Strike is just the easy-way with not much of a pay-off in the end.

Sqube · Nov 17, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

If memory serves, Palm Strike is literally the first elite available in the game. If there's nothing else floating around, and you want to use an elite, I don't see why not.

Bowstring Badass · Nov 17, 2007, 02:07 AM // 02:07

It is a fun elite to play around with really. The damage is alright but the elite could be better maybe cause DW for like 10 seconds or something.

Jaigoda · Nov 17, 2007, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Or cause Dazed, maybe? or possibly blind, cracked armor, or weakness. Just a thought, but A-net probly won't listen cause we all know they just hate non-lead-requiring offhands.

Sqube · Nov 17, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26

That's not true, Jaigoda. They haven't killed GPS. Yet.

That said, I could see Palm Strike causing Cracked Armor more than anything else. It fits with the vibe of the skill; an elite, massively powerful strike that can even wreck armor!

It's too bad that it's a skill though; I was thinking that, if it was an attack, it could cause cracked armor on criticals. That would kill its damage potential but, if they were going to kill its damage potential, maybe they could lower the recharge?

Interesting thoughts... nothing will ever come of these thoughts, of course, but they're interesting nonetheless.

horseradish · Nov 17, 2007, 06:31 AM // 06:31

alright so....the best thing i can get out of that boss is his daggers. lol.

I'd rather save a Cap Sig than waste it on a mediocre Elite.

I agree with you guys, that Palm Strike should cause a condition or something and lower the recharge.

Ah well. We'll see.

Captain Arne Is PRO · Nov 17, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Palm Strike should act like the 3 day delay touch of death. :P

Skill. Target touched foe takes xx damage, and becomes Hexed with Doom! After 3 minutes, they die. If this Hex ends prematurely, nothing happens.

ensoriki · Nov 17, 2007, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Palm strike is not a bad elite, its just a rather forgettable one.

Palm strike goes through Shadow Form and its ilk as its a touch skill.
Palm strike is also NOT reduced by armor and protective spirit.

You should have Palm strike, or do a palm strike build atleast once in your assassin's lifetime anyways.

Tyla · Nov 17, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

palm strike is ftw.
at least until you can cap assassins promise and moebus strike:P

Saphatorael · Nov 17, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

I was thinking of giving it a KD. As if you 'strike someone with your palm'. Thing is, it would seem overpowered. But right now, it's quite useless. If your dagger chain has 4 or more skills (which it likely has, since L+O+D isn't good enough for a clean spike), then it'll very likely have an off-hand attack in it, not requiring a lead.
And with Golden Phoenix Strike, Horns of the Ox, Trampling Ox, Black Spider Strike (put it back at 5e cost dammit, the SP bar has been 'fixed') as the (non-elite) alternatives.

Golden Phoenix and Black Spider Strike are more oftenly used at the very beginning, to then have Horns of the Ox to kd your foe, followed up by Falling Spider. Or Leaping Mantis + Random OH Attack (e.g. Jungle Strike) + Trampling Ox, then Falling Spider.

Using Palm Strike at the start of your chain will also let your target have time to run away, try it in RA on someone who's running away. You'll be chasing him/her around quite a while.
So logically, you'd KD your target before using Palm Strike, but oh wait, we already have Falling Spider for that.

The problem with this skill imo, is the entire skillset for the Assassin. It simply isn't needed in its current state of 'Deal some damage, counts as an Off-Hand'. Give it some variations, I'd make it 5e cost, 1s Cast, 15s Recharge, keep the damage the same but give it a kd.

Well, I seemed to have strayed off from the subject quite a bit.
It's useful in the start, and fun for messing around with, but in the end, other elites will end up being more useful.

ensoriki · Nov 17, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Mark of instability, Palm strike, Death blossom

....Find there weakness =P

Touch armor ignoring off hand..knock down DW =P

Now time to run before everyone goes

Find there weakness is unreliable!!

>.> Now to make a Repeating Palm strike build >.>

Saphatorael · Nov 17, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Well, I once made a short build, it was quite decent. But still not good enough for any serious PvP. Fun in RA though.

Had a Conjure on me, then Golden Phoenix Strike, Death Blossom, Palm Strike, Death Blossom. No IAS, but of course it lacks a snare, knockdowns and much more. But then again, it's just RA.

ensoriki · Nov 17, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

RA is so pro.... it's better than halo

=P!

jaeharys targaryen · Nov 17, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

my friend puts his key board on the ground, so he can play halo and use his feet to pwnface in ra at the same time)

Mist Walker Skarloc · Nov 17, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaeharys targaryen

my friend puts his key board on the ground, so he can play halo and use his feet to pwnface in ra at the same time)

......Ok......

Does he pwnface on Halo, too? it must be hard to concentrate on 2 games at once. O_o

jaeharys targaryen · Nov 17, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mist Walker Skarloc

......Ok......

Does he pwnface on Halo, too? it must be hard to concentrate on 2 games at once. O_o

eh, he aint that successful at it. buts its funny to watch

Utaku · Nov 17, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Palm strike is also NOT reduced by armor and protective spirit.

The last part is wrong. It's not a life steal, it's just untyped damage.

crucifix · Nov 17, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Prot spirit will lower the damage, +armor will not. Palm strike would ROCK if it caused cracked armor/ other condition. would make palm strike + paradox OMFG leet. Id like to see the damage buffed a bit however, then i can play a tele sin spike.