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Tyla · Mar 05, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Flem

Tanks support the whole party but helping them stay safe.

No they don't, they support themselves, if I wanted to support the whole party I would play a Paragon, and still deal damage.
Oh yeah, I thought it was a Monk's job to keep the party safe?

- Tain - · Mar 05, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Flem

In the end, going with a tanking party does not deal less damage. The tank may not be doing it, but the rest of the party is.

You're denying yourself 1 warrior's DPS, which happens to be among the top single-target DPS in the game. That is reducing your party's damage.

Div · Mar 05, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I don't even know what to say. Some people are just stubbornly stupid with their arguments and won't realize/admit they're wrong. I've given up dealing with those sorts of people. This horrible argument of "HAI GAIZ I LIKE TO DO DAMGE WITH ONLY 7 PEOPLE INSTEAD OF 8 BECUZ ITS KEWL" can keep going for another 10 pages if you guys haven't given up arguing with stubborn players. Pretty hilarious when hypocrites talk about the refusal to change and adapt, then continue to argue in favor of tanking, which is an age-old method that has become completely obsolete after the introduction of imbagons. I'll leave you with Ensign's quote, and if you don't know what it is, go look it up :P

Flem · Mar 05, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

No they don't, they support themselves, if I wanted to support the whole party I would play a Paragon, and still deal damage.
Oh yeah, I thought it was a Monk's job to keep the party safe?

Yes they do support the whole team. I'm not telling you to not bring a Paragon, that works too. Tanks take all the damage so other don't have to defend themselves.

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Originally Posted by - Tain -

You're denying yourself 1 warrior's DPS, which happens to be among the top single-target DPS in the game. That is reducing your party's damage.

Well, really the main dif. between tank vs. imbagon is single target DPS vs. AoE. Certain parts of the game benefit from each of those. Very situational.

Tyla · Mar 05, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by Flem

Yes they do support the whole team. I'm not telling you to not bring a Paragon, that works too. Tanks take all the damage so other don't have to defend themselves.

Aggro break = useless tank. Well, even more useless than they already are.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

Quoted For Truth.

*/Point /Laugh at Flem.*

Flem · Mar 05, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I don't even know what to say. Some people are just stubbornly stupid with their arguments and won't realize/admit they're wrong. I've given up dealing with those sorts of people. This horrible argument can keep going for another 10 pages if you guys haven't given up arguing with stubborn players. I'll leave you with Ensign's quote, and if you don't know what it is, go look it up :P

How am I stubborn?

I'm saying try all the options, be versitle, and be flexible.

You guys are advocating being rigid, stale, and stagnant by relying on just one style of play always, no matter what you face.

Any outsider in this debate would say the opposite.

- Tain - · Mar 05, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I'll leave you with Ensign's quote, and if you don't know what it is, go look it up :P

"Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience."

Too perfect NOT to quote it.

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Originally Posted by Flem

Well, really the main dif. between tank vs. imbagon is single target DPS vs. AoE. Certain parts of the game benefit from each of those. Very situational.

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Originally Posted by - Tain -

You can gather aggro and group enemies without dedicating 1 characters bar to sitting there picking his nose.

^ You don't need to sacrifice AoE damage because you're not running a nose-picker.

Flem · Mar 05, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Aggro break = useless tank. Well, even more useless than they already are.

Quoted For Truth.

*/Point /Laugh at Flem.*

Every play style has down falls.

I would not be surpised if tyla was 12, I'm being completely honest.

Flem · Mar 05, 2008, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by - Tain -

"Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience."

Too perfect NOT to quote it.

^ You don't need to sacrifice AoE damage because you're not running a nose-picker.

AoE does not work at all if the enemies are all on dif. targets.

- Tain - · Mar 05, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Flem

How am I stubborn?

I'm saying try all the options, be versitle, and be flexible.

You guys are advocating being rigid, stale, and stagnant by relying on just one style of play always, no matter what you face.

Any outsider in this debate would say the opposite.

If my "one style of play" is not bringing a tank, then yes. But I'd say that leaves a lot more room for versatility compared to reducing your party number to 7.

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Originally Posted by Flem

AoE does not work at all if the enemies are all on dif. targets.

Re-read what I said again.

You -->can<-- gather aggro and group enemies without dedicating 1 characters bar to sitting there picking his nose.

Tyla · Mar 05, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Flem

Every play style has down falls.

I would not be surpised if tyla was 12, I'm being completely honest.

I'm 14, what's your point?
Age has nothing to do with maturity, but the person behind the computer screen, that personality makes maturity in people.

Besides - the playstyle of grabbing a Shock Axe and actually doing something useful is better than being a useless slot which can be filled up instantly by something FAR better.

Flem · Mar 05, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I don't even know what to say. Some people are just stubbornly stupid with their arguments and won't realize/admit they're wrong. I've given up dealing with those sorts of people. This horrible argument of "HAI GAIZ I LIKE TO DO DAMGE WITH ONLY 7 PEOPLE INSTEAD OF 8 BECUZ ITS KEWL" can keep going for another 10 pages if you guys haven't given up arguing with stubborn players. Pretty hilarious when hypocrites talk about the refusal to change and adapt, then continue to argue in favor of tanking, which is an age-old method that has become completely obsolete after the introduction of imbagons. I'll leave you with Ensign's quote, and if you don't know what it is, go look it up :P

BTW.

Preferring something, and understanding the equality of something given certain circumstances are two dif. things.

Are you saying that you can run a build with no def skills? That's slots used.
The skill slot usage on keeping the team alive is about the same.

- Tain - · Mar 05, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Skill slots for defense = good.
Full bar for defense = bad.

^ Especially when your full bar is protecting yourself (1 character) rather than the party (win).

Flem · Mar 05, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by - Tain -

If my "one style of play" is not bringing a tank, then yes. But I'd say that leaves a lot more room for versatility compared to reducing your party number to 7.

Re-read what I said again.

You -->can<-- gather aggro and group enemies without dedicating 1 characters bar to sitting there picking his nose.

Using the same line over and over does not make your point and more valid.

Having all enemies focus on one target is tanking.

Tyla · Mar 05, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Flem

Having all enemies focus on one target is tanking.

You're funny.
Devoting an entire skillbar = Tanking, not someone taking agro and actually killing stuff.

Div · Mar 05, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Flem

Every play style has down falls.

I would not be surpised if tyla was 12, I'm being completely honest.

Attacking a person's arguments is one thing. Attacking a person's age/sex/race/etc. is another. More crap like this and this thread is getting nuked.

- Tain - · Mar 05, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Flem

Using the same line over and over does not make your point and more valid.

Having all enemies focus on one target is tanking.

Except that my line is valid. Relying on everything attacking one target is a fickle way to control aggro. Using terrain (corners, walls, etc.) gathers and groups enemies for an equal result with superior control.

Flem · Mar 05, 2008, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by - Tain -

Skill slots for defense = good.
Full bar for defense = bad.

^ Especially when your full bar is protecting yourself (1 character) rather than the party (win).

I never said a tank had to have all def skills. As long as all the enemies are focusing on one target, no one else is getting the blows, all AoE is focused on all/most of the enemies at once, and it's fast.... then that's tanking.

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

I'm 14, what's your point?
Age has nothing to do with maturity, but the person behind the computer screen, that personality makes maturity in people.

Besides - the playstyle of grabbing a Shock Axe and actually doing something useful is better than being a useless slot which can be filled up instantly by something FAR better.

Maturity can exist at all levels, but just like all of you guys' argument with experience, age plays an important role. I can tell your young by you blatant cheap shots and lack of flexibility that only comes with age.

- Tain - · Mar 05, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Flem

How is "picking your nose" valid at all past middle school?

"Standing there picking your nose" is an expression used to convey doing nothing useful. I sure hope you aren't lumping me in with your immaturity comments.

Also, pointing to that rather than commenting on my actual argument leads me to believe you've run out of excuses but just don't want to quit.

Earth · Mar 05, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Flem

You guys are advocating being rigid, stale, and stagnant by relying on just one style of play always, no matter what you face.

I think they just know what's best. Seriously, there's you against a bunch of other players, players who are probably better at playing a warrior than you.

If everybody disagrees with you, don't you think you may be wrong after all?

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

I'm 14, what's your point?

I always thought you were 18. I'm shocked