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Wretchman Drake · Mar 19, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

This is a build I've been trying to work on for some time now. I like using it in PvE (it's my new PvE build sometimes), and I also rather enjoyed using it in RA, AB, and a little in TA... I was wondering what you guys think about it?

Video Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjvxhJZF94 *PS* In vid, Spear being used DOES NOT have a Sundering Mod atm*

Warrior/Paragon

Strength: 14(16 if you don't care about less health)
Spear Mastery: 12

Spear: Sundering Spear of Fortitude

Skills:
1.) Burst of Aggression (BoA)
2.) Rage of the Ntouka {E} (RotN)
3.) Blazing Spear
4.) Barbed Spear
5.) Wild Throw
6.) Merciless Spear
7.) Res Sig
8.) *still trying to figure out [meanwhile Signet of Strength]

Any comments/advice?

clawofcrimson · Mar 19, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

nice pictures... but we have been down this road before....

the damage output is not nearly enough compared to a paragon with 16 spear.. and there is just not enough relevant strength skills to make w/p a better option than p/w....

but..sigh...its pve so do what you want.

Wretchman Drake · Mar 19, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Hmm, well it's at least something for bored warriors to do.

I guess I'd have to try a Paragon primary then for a good spear build if you are correct...

Stormlord Alex · Mar 19, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Nice try... But no, not really.

A Paragon, with access to 16 Spear Mastery and Aggressive Refrain, alongside GftE! and Anthem of Flame, will be a much better spear-er.

Especially given the (rather lame...) IAS, a vamp spear will net a lot more damage than a sundering.

On the IAS... Flail is a superior choice at range where the slowdown won't have quite as much as an impact.

Atm... I really can't see why a spear-wielding warrior would be a better choice than a paragon with a spear, or warrior using warrior weapons... Even dagger-wielding W/A get some synergy from Flourish...

Wretchman Drake · Mar 19, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Like I said I was just trying out something different, that's all.

Osi Ri S · Mar 20, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

I bet this idea was sparked from the movie "300". i was gonna try something like this just for fun after seeing the movie

zwei2stein · Mar 20, 2007, 12:54 PM // 12:54

I like idea of RotN + IAS to immediatelly start spike (P/x can not do this without few dedicated skillsots and lots of downtime)

but i dislike your choice of atack skills (barbed/blazing) - they dont fit spike theme

King's Spectre · Mar 20, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Too bad warrior's endurance requires melee hits. I played around with a spear warrior in the weeks between the spear buff and nerf. Battle Rage and enraging charge have some promise here.

The other folks are probably right, for DPS a para is probably better, but don't let that keep you from enjoying the build!

Coloneh · Mar 20, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

this is bad. we have been over this. spear warriors are bad. not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors.

Alanus · Mar 21, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

this is bad. we have been over this. spear warriors are bad. not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors.

lol... are you serious? "Not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors?"

...

I for one actually tried this build and it's fun. Maybe you should do some research and actually look up what the Elite does. It's faster and easier to get attacks off than a paragon. Plus the extra 14% armor penetration from strength doesn't negate from this...

Please be creative.

Osi Ri S · Mar 22, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50

after taking a further look at the skills, i suggest you drop your elite and BoA, bring Flail imo (since you have a ranged weapon the slowdown wont effect you as much) as for the elite, maybe a spear elite? Flourish looks like it would come in usefull. Or Maybe charge if you decide to go Tactics + Spear Mastery.

Ruphfus · Mar 22, 2007, 04:23 AM // 04:23

i've tried a ton of spear builds when nightfall first came out. i ended up going with frenzy and a bunch of spear attacks, spear elite to attack fast, not lose damage, and build adren.

what i like about this build is if you bring lions comfort in your empty spot you can have a self heal. i don't know about you but playing a warrior... i always like atleast some sort of self heal...
even tho u lose all ur adren with BoA, RotN gives u more than enough to use your Lions Comfort if you choose to bring it.

Not bad build tho.

Ranger / paragon is a nice spear thrower... for the combo of apply psn, attack, attack, attack, Stunning Strike, attack, attack, attack. great for stopping casters, and you can get some heals, ias buffs, defense buffs too.

clawofcrimson · Mar 22, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Alanus

lol... are you serious? "Not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors?"
...
I for one actually tried this build and it's fun. Maybe you should do some research and actually look up what the Elite does. It's faster and easier to get attacks off than a paragon. Plus the extra 14% armor penetration from strength doesn't negate from this...

Please be creative.

This build is another one of those "fun, but not really the most effective" pve builds... sure it will work and yes its fun..

but...If its a matter of primary paragon vs. primary warrior...warrior fails

~14% armour penatration is on the attack skills only... and its not really worth mentioning.

30 base damage vs. 100AL no armour pen. = 15

30 base damage vs. 100AL 14 armour pen = 19

~the damage is not compareable to spear mastery of 16 on a paragon.

spear mastery 12= 14-27 damage

spear mastery 16= 16-31 damage

thats on every hit..not just the attack skills

like the op said...its for bored warriors...and if your really bored you could also try:
[card]burst of aggression[/card] [card]griffon's sweep[/card] [card]leviathan's sweep[/card] [card]pious assault[/card] [card]eremite's attack[/card] [card]flourish[/card] [card]healing signet[/card] [card]resurrection signet[/card]
12 scythe
14 str
9 tactics

Issac · Mar 23, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Even though the dmg is not as much as a warrior using its primary weapons and not as strong as a paragon using a spear, the build isn’t to bad and neither is the dmg gj. Might try it out sometimes.

BryanM · Mar 23, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I like idea of RotN + IAS to immediatelly start spike (P/x can not do this without few dedicated skillsots and lots of downtime)

Or the paragon could, like, use energy attack skills and use adrenaline shouts to power them?

Hole Sale Traps · Mar 23, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

I've been messing around and I came up with that a few days ago I've used it in AB it does Pretty good I find that other warriors target me less for some reason, I get good damage too....so I guess it can be done just got think more about what your doing.

"Edit" The Skills are Cruel spear,Blazing spear,Wild Throw,Remedy signet, Flail, Endure Pain,Enrageing Charge ,and Heal sig. Also I had the wrong helmet on during the screen the attributes should be 12 Strength, 9 Tactics (+1 helmet and a major Tactics rune), and 12 spear mastery.

zling · Mar 30, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

being a Warrior with spears doesnt give you any advantage over the Paragorn. both have the highest lvl armor and Strength is 1 of the worst primary attributes available so I dont see why you desperatly want to utilize it...
you can go Paragorn/Warrior for some Tactics buffs, that will be reasonable but anything else is just underpowered...

Wretchman Drake · Apr 02, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Paragon Primary spear hurlers aren't as good in case you ever haven't tried. Too much down time, not as good AL as Warrior, and I like RotN+BoA for getting a chain off. It's just fun for me.

It's just a PvE build or AB/ w/e anyways..

Effigy · Apr 02, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

P/* spear chuckers are great. Permanent IAS, melee buffs for the whole group, and nearly unlimited energy to spam attacks.

Alanus · Apr 02, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Effigy

P/* spear chuckers are great. Permanent IAS, melee buffs for the whole group, and nearly unlimited energy to spam attacks.

You make them sound sooo good. WHy the hell don't I see them ANYWHERE?