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Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 11, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

activation times on weapon skills is to show how they change from normal attack if it has none then it activates like a normal attack

Kale Ironfist · Mar 11, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by DDL

Can I just check: what exactly defines the attack speed of wild strike, then?

Since it has (as far as I can see) no activation time at all, suggesting it activates instantly (like stances?), surely it's better in that respect than fox fangs, which takes half a second.

Or is it "wild strike, and all dagger attacks with no activation time, when activated, act on your next 'autoattack' timed dagger attack, which generally is slightly slower than half a second"? In which case FF would have the advantage, I guess.

I'd test it myself, but I'm not sure I'm twitchy enough to honestly spot a difference, so I figured I'd ask you clever peeps.

Dagger auto attack is 1.33 seconds between attacks, so using Fox Fangs in place of Wild Strike puts you ahead by .83 seconds. Assuming you're using 33% IAS, it will instead put you ahead by .55 seconds.

Bobby2 · Mar 11, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

Dagger auto attack is 1.33 seconds between attacks, so using Fox Fangs in place of Wild Strike puts you ahead by .83 seconds. Assuming you're using 33% IAS, it will instead put you ahead by .55 seconds.

This.

but Wild has:
- higher damage.
- faster recharge.
- Stance ending (paving the way for your Dual, which FF doesn't).

I could also happily make a comparison between Jungle Strike and FF... Foxy just doesn't cut it for me at any level.

Celeborn10 · Mar 12, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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- Stance ending (paving the way for your Dual, which FF doesn't).

FF is meant to be followed by 9 Tailed Strike. The whole chain would therefore be GPS>FF>9TS>Impale. I've tried various ways to make it work, but without Conjures the damage ends up being rather gimpy at ~360. Either a recharge or a damage buff (making the chain around 400-430 including Impale) would make the chain actually useful.

FF by itself only has the .5 second activation time which might be attractive to some gimmick builds but they'd probably be much better off with LMS/BMS>Jungle Strike then. The Fox attacks don't really synergize too well with attacks outside of the line as you either have rigor mortis or expose defenses to get them through.

RavagerOfDreams · Mar 12, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

This.

but Wild has:
- higher damage.
- faster recharge.
- Stance ending (paving the way for your Dual, which FF doesn't).

fox is used for mainly for two reasons

1) its faster allowing for quicker spiking
2) it has a longer recharge creating a bigger bonus on BoS

Bobby2 · Mar 12, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Celeborn10

FF is meant to be followed by 9 Tailed Strike. The whole chain would therefore be GPS>FF>9TS>Impale.

'Meant to be'? And I think you mean Golden FOX Strike.

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Originally Posted by Celeborn10

I've tried various ways to make it work, but without Conjures the damage ends up being rather gimpy at ~360. Either a recharge or a damage buff (making the chain around 400-430 including Impale) would make the chain actually useful.

Impale got nerfed to the extent that any speed advantage offered by Fox Fangs gets annihilated. Still, there's nothing you've mentioned that couldn't have been accomplished by Wild.

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Originally Posted by Celeborn10

FF by itself only has the .5 second activation time which might be attractive to some gimmick builds but they'd probably be much better off with LMS/BMS>Jungle Strike then. The Fox attacks don't really synergize too well with attacks outside of the line as you either have rigor mortis or expose defenses to get them through.

Truth. Too many (good) builds I've seen go Rigor-BMT-Jungle...

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

fox is used for mainly for two reasons

1) its faster allowing for quicker spiking
2) it has a longer recharge creating a bigger bonus on BoS

1) lower damage compared to Wild counteracts this very purpose.
2) who uses BoS these days?

ensoriki · Mar 15, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

Fox Fangs is inferior, now move on.