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strange wilderness sucked · Feb 11, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

i confused it with watchful. must edit that

Sirugel Kai · Feb 11, 2008, 01:06 AM // 01:06

K lets put up the differences

1) Balthazar - +40 armor, 33% speed boost, Holy Damage
2) Melandru - +100 health, immune to conditions, Earth Damage
3) Lyssa - +20 Energy +8...41 dmg to foes activating skills
4) Grenth - .. Nevermind just forget I mentioned Grenth

Ok lets start with Balthazar
Pve: You never have to chase anything in pve, and if you do.. just use a speed boost. You could just take great dwarf armor or conviction and save yourself an elite skill for the +40 armor. Holy damage is a waste for an elite.. Just take Aura of Holy Might. ( Holy damage is NOT armor ignoring )
Pvp: Use another speed boost. Use conviction. When have you ever found an undead player?

Ok then.. Onto Melandru
Pve: In Pve +100 health makes a huge difference because enemys attack the player with the least health.. And with +100 health you wont have the lowest, Combined with victorious sweep you'll almost constantly have higher then your opponent - which would give you even MORE health for surviviability. If you are immune to conditions then that takes a ton of weight off your back, You dont have to worry about cripple or much degen at all.
Pvp: +100 health will help you live longer. No cripple or conditional degen, Combined with draw conditions gives great party support.

Now for Lyssa..
Pve: With the energy you can spam even more attacks and with an IAS you can take down about anything pretty fast. With the + damage bonus and if you combine it with AoHm you can take down casters in seconds.
Pvp: i wouldnt really use this in pvp.. but it can take down casters pretty fast, among other things.

Grenth
Pve: No, Just no.
Pvp: You could kill monks pretty fast... I guess?

So.. How is Balthazar now?
Edit: i didnt read the whole topic, I was just contributing to the avatar arguement thingie

strange wilderness sucked · Feb 11, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

true that, more damage no conditions. but what im doing is healing a lot while doing damage, if i have to take a speed boost for taking another avatar ill have less energy on healing. a constant source of speed is useful and the bonus +40 gives you some tanking. its not a bad alternative to what im doing here.

if you take rush your not rit secondary and thats a huge part of this build, you could replicate it with melandrus i guess but you would have to drop something for a speed and again it would wind up more expensive

Stormlord Alex · Feb 11, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

Pvp: Use another speed boost. Use conviction or great dwarf armor. When have you ever found an undead player?

Not happening any time soon.

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Grenth
Pvp: You could kill monks pretty fast... I guess?

The new Grenth rapes Aegis chains (read: everyone), eles, and monks in general. Alongside the current Pious Assault, Grenth right now is a pretty scary physical. Admittedly, not quite so... juggernaut... as Mel, but... that's what the RC monk is for, right?

Mesmer in Need · Feb 11, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

The only bonus i see coming from using Balthazar is the fact that it makes kiting for the monk harder. However, they wont have to worry about you doing much damage, as you will be "healing". Quit trying to make a bad elite good, just because it looks good. I can't put anything more here that hasn't already been mentioned.

strange wilderness sucked · Feb 11, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

maybe its not the easiest to use but you definately can use it effectively, you dont hel unless you have to btw. im not anoob you know im rank 5 glad, i would say it works if it didnt.

Mesmer in Need · Feb 11, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Alot of stuff "works". Mending on a warrior "works". Its really bad, but it works. And if you need to help heal your monk, then obviously you don't have a good monk. However, as said before, you can run melandru with draw conditons to help your team and give you health. How you got r5 is beyond me.
As a side note, prot isgenerally better in pvp then healing, which your build provides. And no, +40 armor doesn't count as protection.

strange wilderness sucked · Feb 11, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

no mending wamo does not work, no, no, no and no.

i made this build because you very rarely get a good monk, this build is there to cmpensate and helps streak where you wouldnt have regardless of how awesome you can be at damage. with a good monk you can go really far too. even good healers die.

Axel Zinfandel · Feb 11, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by strange wilderness sucked

i bet your speaking from experince

Actually, in honesty, Vow of Strength/Aura of Holy Might is better then any form I've ever used. Esspecually when you combine it with Asuran Scan and Strength of Honor. For even more insane proportions, add Judge's Insight and Mindbender (to cover the cast time cost.)

Or just lose Judge's/Mindbender for better healing.

But as long as you push this leet skill bar or yours, the more your going to get bashed. Everything AoB has to offer can be replicated EASILY with none-elite skills. Like people have been saying, speed boost is not necessary for most PvE, and neither is Holy Damage (Aura of Holy Might covers that and more anyway).

+40 AR can easily be replicated by Conviction. 16 armor won't be missed much on a derv. If you are going to run AoB at all, it should be to cap the next skill available. AoB looks good in theory, but it's mostly used by people who don't realize that they are clearly missing out on much better alternatives.

On a further note. In most cases, DERVS SHOULD NOT BE HEALING OTHER PEOPLE. esspecually not with AoB either. Watchful Intervention should be used on you at best. It has far to long of a recharge to ever be useful in the long run.

You wanted feedback and you got it. It's not worthless, but it sucks. Pushing this any further proves that you really don't want feedback, you just want to show everyone this awesome new build you came up with.

strange wilderness sucked · Feb 11, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

just to add i have nothing against melandrus avatar except how ugly it is. its an awesome elite but i prefer aob for this build.

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Everything AoB has to offer can be replicated EASILY with none-elite skills.

i know that but aob looks badass, and im a huge fan of the constant speed since i pack no kds or interrupts.

Axel Zinfandel · Feb 11, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by strange wilderness sucked

i know that but aob looks badass, and im a huge fan of the constant speed since i pack no kds or interrupts.

Dunkoro rushing strait into battle swinging a scythe into someone's skull while healing people looks badass too.

that doesn't mean it's good.

Jora Using mending while swinging a huge ass hammer spamming frenzy looks badass.

THATS NOT GOOD EITHER.

Your build looks badass. there. That being said, it sucks complete and total ass.

strange wilderness sucked · Feb 11, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

DERVS SHOULD NOT BE HEALING OTHER PEOPLE. esspecually not with AoB either. Watchful Intervention should be used on you at best.

dervs can heal really decently and you can use watchful on lots of people at the same time obviously focusing on whoever is getting targeted. it lasts a really long time on people too and you can cast it or 4 times before yours runs out, so what your saying isnt really true.

dervs have really powerful heals the fact that most take self heals and mystic regeneration escapes me. full healer dervises are decent too though ive never run one.

Axel Zinfandel · Feb 11, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by strange wilderness sucked

dervs can heal really decently and you can use watchful on lots of people at the same time obviously focusing on whoever is getting targeted. it lasts a really long time on people too and you can cast it or 4 times before yours runs out, so what your saying isnt really true.

dervs have really powerful heals the fact that most take self heals and mystic regeneration escapes me. full healer dervises are decent too though ive never run one.

Then press that good ol' delete button on your Dervish and make a monk or a ritualist.

The Meth · Feb 11, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by strange wilderness sucked

some feed back on build plz plz (thread title)

From a brief glance of this thread I can only guess that the thread title length limits prevented you from posting this:

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Originally Posted by strange wilderness sucked

some feed back on build that i will completely ignore while defending my current build based upon my utterly uber RA rank

EDIT: Can I get your permission to quote your build along with this thread whenever I hear the words "I'm not a noob because I have rank x glad"

strange wilderness sucked · Feb 11, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Your build looks badass. there. That being said, it sucks complete and total ass.

a build that 'sucks total ass' doesnt carry a team regularly so far into ta, especially a ok ra team, it just doesnt happen.

im willing to bet you have no glad rank or have streaked past 15 because you actuallyplay build that blow ass. im willing to bet you had those builds on your heroes too.

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Originally Posted by The Meth

From a brief glance of this thread I can only guess that the thread title length limits prevented you from posting this:

hey man im open to disscussing alternatives, sorry if i can across as different

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Then press that good ol' delete button on your Dervish and make a monk or a ritualist.

your missing the point, im not a healer i just keep them alive seing as they cant hold their own when i go damage. that with death pact makes streaking far easy with a average team. all this while doing damage is the point of this build.

neoflame · Feb 11, 2008, 02:13 AM // 02:13

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...7&postcount=33

If you want to heal while doing damage, roll a rit or boonsmiter.

Axel Zinfandel · Feb 11, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by strange wilderness sucked

the monk carried that team, and they made it to 10 WOW. i mean its after ra that it gets interesting.

Your not the sharpest tool in the shed, aren't you.

The Meth · Feb 11, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by strange wilderness sucked

the monk carried that team, and they made it to 10 WOW. i mean its after ra that it gets interesting.

95% of TA groups are made of RA players who thought they were good because they got 10 wins. The other 5% are actual good groups farming them.

BTW use the edit button please.

strange wilderness sucked · Feb 11, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Your not the sharpest tool in the shed, aren't you.

i dont understand why me saying the monk carried that team makes me stupid. ive played with chronic heals more than once, shes good enough to take a not so great team to ta but once in ta you will feel the dead weight of the mending wamo. it would be interesting toknow if she left after 10.

the build i posted is to actually take that not so great ra team far into ta by assuming they wont heal good enough this along with death pact will win you a lot of matches you should have lost.

Axel Zinfandel · Feb 11, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by strange wilderness sucked

i dont understand why me saying the monk carried that team makes me stupid. ive played with chronic heals more than once, shes good enough to take a not so great team to ta but once in ta you will feel the dead weight of the mending wamo. it would be interesting toknow if she left after 10.

the build i posted is to actually take that not so great ra team far into ta by assuming they wont heal good enough this along with death pact will win you a lot of matches you should have lost.

You clearly don't understand why he posted that...