Curse

Div · Feb 21, 2008, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Why do you use radiant insignias when you have leadership + shouts? Seems really useless.

The same reason why people had energy issues even before the soul reaping change. And the same reason why people like to play in 15/-1 sets. Bigger energy = better; screw emanagement

moko · Feb 21, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

not running Centurion is pretty dumb.

Paragon is imo definately the only class that should stick with +Armor instead of +HP.

Richardt · Feb 21, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

The same reason why people had energy issues even before the soul reaping change. And the same reason why people like to play in 15/-1 sets. Bigger energy = better; screw emanagement

Hit right on the head XD

I just always preferred having a large energy pool myself.

And for some reason the AI ignores me as a para....so I don't worry much about getting hit lol.

angmar_nite · Feb 21, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Richardt

Hit right on the head XD

I just always preferred having a large energy pool myself.

And for some reason the AI ignores me as a para....so I don't worry much about getting hit lol.

I'm pretty sure he meant a lot of energy as a bad thing.

Richardt · Feb 21, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Well the reasons I use radiants is because I found I had some energy issues outside of combat-which may sound odd, but I use TNtF to keep up AR and with Centurions I ran into energy issues.

But radiant gave me a buffer that I greatly appreciated.

And plus I'm serious when I say the AI ignores me-the only way I take damage is if I stupidly stand in AoE or I decide to Leroy it. Outside of those two times the only time I get hit is if the party is dead-at which point I run for the hills lol.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not recommending anyone else do this-this is really my personnal preference and trying to convince me otherwise will lead nowhere lol.

Shaz · Feb 21, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Richardt

Well the reasons I use radiants is because I found I had some energy issues outside of combat-which may sound odd, but I use TNtF to keep up AR and with Centurions I ran into energy issues.

But radiant gave me a buffer that I greatly appreciated.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but you fail as a paragon. Lots of energy does not equal e-management. Need energy so bad? Use a staff on one of the set. I use TNTF to upkeep AR too, and have no energy problem. Maybe you should keep up with your teammate and make sure they're in earshot of you. Other than that, I don't see how you could have energy problem with -15+6 = -9 energy use for TNTF, and TNTF take 20 secs to recharge. In that 20 secs you should regain all the energy used for it and more. Even in 4man area, you shouldn't have energy problem. Paragon in general shouldn't have energy problem.

Lishy · Feb 21, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I personally think that as long as you are not below 400 hp(Which you shouldn't in PvP?) then +armor is the way to go.Especially because Paragons are priority in pvp and because AR provides -20 armor for you.

Racthoh · Feb 21, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Especially because Paragons are priority in pvp and because AR provides -20 armor for you.

Paragons are priority in PvP?

Yichi · Feb 21, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Paragons are priority in PvP?

when the hell did that happen?

Shaz · Feb 21, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I personally think that as long as you are not below 400 hp(Which you shouldn't in PvP?) then +armor is the way to go.Especially because Paragons are priority in pvp and because AR provides -20 armor for you.

Not trying to flame here, but have you PvP or even observed PvP before? 400hp and paragon are priority in PvP?

Richardt · Feb 22, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by Shaz

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but you fail as a paragon. Lots of energy does not equal e-management. Need energy so bad? Use a staff on one of the set. I use TNTF to upkeep AR too, and have no energy problem. Maybe you should keep up with your teammate and make sure they're in earshot of you. Other than that, I don't see how you could have energy problem with -15+6 = -9 energy use for TNTF, and TNTF take 20 secs to recharge. In that 20 secs you should regain all the energy used for it and more. Even in 4man area, you shouldn't have energy problem. Paragon in general shouldn't have energy problem.

Personnal preference is all I can say.

As you say I should be able to get away from using it. I found that when I first started I had an energy issue. I prolly have that fixed by now.

But you know what? I don't really care. I rarely get hit, and when I get a party wipe it's because some noob overaggroed. So why really change? I like having the extra energy and I've actually said to go ahead and use Centurions.

I don't really see why you felt the need to be insulting.

And besides, just because one person does it one way doesn't mean it can't be done another way. There are multiple solutions to this, some of them optimal some of them not. Is me using Radiants 100% optimal? Not really. But does it work? Yes it does-and it works very well.

So before you say someone "fails" at something, pull your head out of you butt and think for yourself.

mrmango · Feb 22, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Richardt

And besides, just because one person does it one way doesn't mean it can't be done another way. There are multiple solutions to this, some of them optimal some of them not. Is me using Radiants 100% optimal? Not really. But does it work? Yes it does-and it works very well.

So before you say someone "fails" at something, pull your head out of you butt and think for yourself.

Bolded is subjective. If you ask me, very well is most optimal.

Shaz · Feb 22, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Richardt

I don't really see why you felt the need to be insulting.

Sorry if you felt like that was insulting, but it is the truth. The OP ask for Survivor or Centurion debate, and you put in useless Radiant. So I had to respond, didn't want someone who is new to paragon thinking that's a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Richardt

And besides, just because one person does it one way doesn't mean it can't be done another way.

I never say you can't, as I said before I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I can careless of what you do. Just trying to clear up some thing for people who aren't familiar with paragon.

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Originally Posted by Richardt

There are multiple solutions to this, some of them optimal some of them not. Is me using Radiants 100% optimal? Not really. But does it work?

A paragon with no insignia work. And you put on Radiant so of course it still work, your point is?
It is not the most optimal, in fact, it is useless energy.

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Originally Posted by Richardt

So before you say someone "fails" at something, pull your head out of you butt and think for yourself.

lol, good one. I can think for myself quite well, thank you very much.

Richardt · Feb 22, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

A few of things to note:

1) On the first page I said use Centurions over Survivor. Only thing I did "wrong" was admit I use Radiants-and I said that's because I enjoy having a larger energy pool. Once again personnal pref.

2) In a post I made earlier today I said I don't recommend it and that it was just my personnal preference. I like to go against the grain-and plus the SY/TNtF para isn't the only build I run on my para-so why should I have multiple armors when 1 suffices for me?

3) I keep an open mind-and trust me if our positions were reversed, I would've read your post as personnal preference, and not insulted you by saying "you fail".

4) You could've added in your 2 cents without acting like an ***.

Coloneh · Feb 22, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by moko

not running Centurion is pretty dumb.

Paragon is imo definately the only class that should stick with +Armor instead of +HP.

I like centurion, but could you come up with some sort of reasoning behind that?

Richardt · Feb 22, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

I like centurion, but could you come up with some sort of reasoning behind that?

The basic idea is that a paragon is always under the effects of a shout/chant.

Thus you should always have 90 armor instead of 80.

Racthoh · Feb 22, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

I like centurion, but could you come up with some sort of reasoning behind that?

As there is no way to strip Echos, and Aggressive Refrain is an Echo and every paragon has it, it's an automatic +10. The only time that +10 will drop is outside of combat (only time AR might drop) when it won't matter.

Shaz · Feb 22, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by Richardt

2) In a post I made earlier today I said I don't recommend it and that it was just my personnal preference. I like to go against the grain-and plus the SY/TNtF para isn't the only build I run on my para-so why should I have multiple armors when 1 suffices for me?

When did I ever tell you to get more then one set of armor? I don't think I did, I have one set of armor myself. Plus, none of the paragon builds requires Radiants, if it does then it's a bad build.

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Originally Posted by Richardt

4) You could've added in your 2 cents without acting like an ***.

You should have use that advice on yourself too.

Sorry but I like to be truthful. If you fail, I will say you fail and not try to sugarcoat it. My statement still stand, if anyone need Radiants as a paragon then they fail as a paragon.

Bluefeather · Feb 22, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

I may not know a lot about armor. But does degen reduce damage on armors with +armor?

If health degen skills can be reduced by higher armor, then i'll change my armor for having +60HP to highest +armor upgrade.

angmar_nite · Feb 22, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34

It can't. But with regards to degen, the +60 health won't matter until you only have 60 health left. Healing a char from 61 to 570 is just as easy as 1 to 510.