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Raksu · Mar 13, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Now, I'm not talking about "destroyer core solo farming", but what's the most effective element against destroyers, and what build works best against them, when playing as a group?

I think air is OK, since it can easily keep up cracked armor and blind, and does OK damage to them too.

What's your opinion?

I'd like to hear different views about "how to kill destroyers effectively" ^^

Thank you!

Inferno Link · Mar 13, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Fire magic!!!!

Joking of course. I'm wondering the same thing as well.

jonnieboi05 · Mar 13, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

well, this is how i play GW:

i use fire eles with massive AoE. no matter what their "immunity" is to fire, they still go POOF and die in quite literally 6-7 seconds (not just a single target, i mean an enitre group). get them while they're balled up and voila (if not balled up well, they still die pretyt damn fast since most caster destroyers stay balled up anyways).

some skills i recommend would be rodgort's invocation, savannah heat, fire storm (YES, fire storm. the AoE is '36 x 10 x 2 - armor against fire'. obviously, this is a huge amount of damage. why? well b/c you're not just obliterating them with FS, you've also got other AoE going off simutaneously that does insane damage)

but hey... this is just how i played and got all my maxed titles in virtually no time at all with no effort required. ^^

if it helps at all, when i kill destroyers, i set my heroes to use 2 SH and 2 FS onto the caster that is in the center-gravity (so to speak) of the group and then change my teams focus onto their melee (their warriors) asap. by the time you drop both of their warriors (for the most part they come in groups of 2, and they should both drop simutaneously assuming you have at least 1 hero with low health to make sure s/he holds aggro) the group of casters will be dead from SH and FS.

why should both warriors die at the same time? well, as i said, have 1 low healthed hero so that aggro will stay on him/her, and then focus all your firepower onto the warriors and the AoE will kill them both at roughly the same time.

the above said takes a bit of practice, but, if pulled off right, you can do any and everything with this method (i say this b/c i got legendary guardian/skill hunter/vanquisher/cartographer with all the team-builds [2 ele heroes, 1 monk hero])

edit: ok, i left a bit bit of vital info out that will make more sense to how this works. but, seldomly it will be 9-12 seconds to wipe their party, NOT always 6-7. 6-7 is assuming you get 40/40 casts and +1 casts often with your 2 ele heroes. ^^

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Fire is still viable against Destroyers - I use Mind Blast to churn out Great Dwarf Weapon on all my physicals, as well as the odd Ward vs. Melee/Foes.

Really, the important thing to remember is that whatever you do as an ele, your damage against Destroyers is gonna be pretty bad; you're better off taking things to support your (physical attacker-heavy) team - Weapon Spells, defensive Wards, melee shutdown hexes and conditions, Ebon Vanguard Wards - stuff like that.

Gift3d · Mar 14, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Blinding surge.

Boogz · Mar 14, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

i used a water magic ele hero , with Ward against Harm as elite

Mickey · Mar 14, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by angmar_nite

You mention that in almost every post.

I've noticed that, too.

To the OP, try this: OghDkpycO9immf+a8KQG4ikL or OghDgcmcO6wyxV9aALQG4ikL

Maelstrom is in there for the interruption, and Ward Against Melee is obviously useful, although you can switch it out for Ward Against Elements since the Destroyers will be blind most of the time.

Edit: At Jonnie: Having all those titles doesn't make you good at the game, hell for all we know, you Ursanned them, but if you didn't good for you. The point is, it's just time and effort, you really don't need to be seasoned to reach r5, you just need to have time and effort. Skill helps cut down the time and the effort, but it's not entirely needed, nor is a seasoned players skills needed. HOWEVER, your Firestorm comment shows that you are at least adept, because Firestorm is *SHOCKER* actually not bad AoE.

Eilo Rytyj · Mar 14, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

Bring Cracked Armor if you're hell-bent on using Fire.

That, or make use of the 3 other elements that you have. Smart ele uses right element for given situation.

Raksu · Mar 14, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

well, this is how i play GW:

i use fire eles with massive AoE. no matter what their "immunity" is to fire, they still go POOF and die in quite literally 6-7 seconds (not just a single target, i mean an enitre group). get them while they're balled up and voila (if not balled up well, they still die pretyt damn fast since most caster destroyers stay balled up anyways).

Yes.. well.. I do the same, i use fire ele ALWAYS.. but when I face destroyers, it just doesn't work.. they take 10% from fire dmg, so if spell does 100 dmg, they take 10, and all.. I mean ALL destroyers are immune to burning, so that goes there too..

I was just wandering that 6-7 second BOOM with destroyers.. I'd like to see that... really ^^

cellardweller · Mar 14, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Destroyer groups are physical heavy with no condition removal and suffer under blind. Earth is good if you want to keep the battle flowing by controlling the AoE flee response within a warded context, Air is better if you want to go down the bodyblock and nuke route.

Unsteady Ground, Eruption, Ward against melee, Earth Attunement,Glyph of Lesser Energy, Ebon Battle Standard of Courage, Ebon Battle Standard of Honour, Great Dwarven Weapon

Blinding Surge, Shell Shock, Ancestor's Rage, Splinter Weapon, Air Attunement, Glyph of Lesser Energy, Alkar's Alchemical Acid, Ebon battle standard of wisdom

LifeInfusion · Mar 14, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inferno Link

Fire magic!!!!

Joking of course. I'm wondering the same thing as well.

* Fire magic with stone striker

Though I don't see why people don't like Blinding surge + Shell shock

angmar_nite · Mar 14, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey

I've noticed that, too.

To the OP, try this: OghDkpycO9immf+a8KQG4ikL or OghDgcmcO6wyxV9aALQG4ikL

Maelstrom is in there for the interruption, and Ward Against Melee is obviously useful, although you can switch it out for Ward Against Elements since the Destroyers will be blind most of the time.

Edit: At Jonnie: Having all those titles doesn't make you good at the game, hell for all we know, you Ursanned them, but if you didn't good for you. The point is, it's just time and effort, you really don't need to be seasoned to reach r5, you just need to have time and effort. Skill helps cut down the time and the effort, but it's not entirely needed, nor is a seasoned players skills needed. HOWEVER, your Firestorm comment shows that you are at least adept, because Firestorm is *SHOCKER* actually not bad AoE.

Fire storm is ONLY good with adequate snare... just like every other pulsing aoe.

Mouse at Large · Mar 14, 2008, 07:56 AM // 07:56

For destroyer heavy areas I tend to run air with BS as an elite. Never forget your Alkar's Alchemical Acid though

Tyla · Mar 14, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Mind Blaster while using a BHA/Epedemic hero with Winter...g-g-g-goooooooo.

Dr Strangelove · Mar 14, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Mind Blaster while using a BHA/Epedemic hero with Winter...g-g-g-goooooooo.

Winter changes the damage type after it's been affected by armor, so it's not so great.

Mind blast is good if you want to pump out utility, but you're not going to be doing any damage.

Earth and air are probably your best bets, since they do decent damage, and have some really hard melee counters. If you grab earth, make sure you or someone in your party has enfeebling blood, it's neat.

llsektorll · Mar 14, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

best ele in a group .....

NM (water ele): [skill]shatterstone[/skill][skill]Blurred Vision[/skill][skill]vapor blade[/skill]..etc

HM(air ele): [skill]Blinding Surge[/skill][skill]Chain Lightning[/skill][skill]enervating charge[/skill]

Monk is always pretty standard stuff

you can do HB, glyph of lesser, and HP
or the new HB, Auspicious Incantation, HP

Stormlord Alex · Mar 14, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

If you grab earth, make sure you or someone in your party has enfeebling blood, it's neat.

12+1+1 Earth
10 curses
8+1 Energy
[skill]unsteady ground[/skill][skill]eruption[/skill][skill]glowstone[/skill][skill]enfeebling blood[/skill][skill]earth attunement[/skill]
...and some other skill. The last might've been GoLE, energy can be a bit tight if you get lucky with fast-recharge Eruptions. Ward vs foes/Melee also works, as would Grasping Earth or the +dmg Ebon Ward.
It's pretty gnarly.

matsif · Mar 15, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

go E/R and bring winter, then you can have all the fire magic you want

or just use the previous suggestions

Desert Rose · Mar 15, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

* Fire magic with stone striker

Stone Striker chance damage type from spells and own attacks after damage calculation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by matsif

go E/R and bring winter, then you can have all the fire magic you want

Not really:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Winter changes the damage type after it's been affected by armor, so it's not so great.

Just.nl · Mar 24, 2008, 07:39 AM // 07:39

I shoud choose for a Air build

With Blinding Flash, lightning orb , lightning hammer and that armor penetration.... But u need ENERGY STORAGE... Lightning orb = 15 E Lightning hammer=25 E maybe Air Attunement+Elemental Attunement?