Curse

blue.rellik · Mar 07, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Oh noes! I can't spam Rodgorts and MB now!

That means I might have to use my other 6 skills!

CURSE YOU ANET!

Sacratus Ignis · Mar 07, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

promise nuker was already better, with the nerf it is now the clear winner

Coloneh · Mar 07, 2008, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Sacratus Ignis

promise nuker was already better, with the nerf it is now the clear winner

bahahaahahaahaaha

AP sucks compared to other elites.... sorry

Grammar · Mar 07, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

This update was pure madness on so many levels.

Mind Blast was JUST FINE the way it was. Mind Blast was never the problem.
Rodgort's Invocation and its ridiculous 5 sec recast was the problem. Now that RI's recast has been fixed, the nerf to Mind Blast completely unnecessary and uncalled for.

If Anet was that damn worried about MB+RI, then they should have taken RI's recast up even further (10 seconds) and left Mind Blast alone instead of nerfing both skills.
Again, what made MB+RI overpowered was RI's recast. MB was never anything close to overpowered until the day RI was buffed through the roof. In fact, Anet even toyed around with buffing MB back before then (they buffed it then changed it back twice I think).

Why can't Anet make the simple connection here? There's nothing wrong with Mind Blast. It is what it is; that is to say it gives you great energy management which allows you to run a bunch of great utility. But after the RI buff, it did both that AND high damage as well by allowing you to spam the newly spammable RI. It was overpowered because it gave you great utility AND great damage.
The obscenely simple solution here was to nerf RI's recast and leave MB alone. 10 seconds for RI's recast was what I was anticipating. Anet went with 8 seconds, which is also good. But the additional nerf to MB on top of that is just mind boggling.

xDusT II · Mar 07, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

PvE wise this balance is nothing upsetting. Immolate out for Fireball to match the new recharge times. Drop headpiece down to a minor.

Div · Mar 07, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Oh noes! I can't spam Rodgorts and MB now!

That means I might have to use my other 6 skills!

CURSE YOU ANET!

That.

And the fact MB-rodgorts builds were never meant to be spam-damage builds. They were built as support types, so the recharge on rodgorts really means nothing. Just means you get more time in between to use the rest of your bar :P

Stormlord Alex · Mar 07, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Mind Blast still lets me keep Great Dwarf Weapon on all my physicals.

This nerf was nothing, especially if you're a good little ele and have dual 20/20 sets.

edit: tis the Ward vs Melee nerf that would've made me cry the most if I was even more of a clueless scrub than I am now...
I mean, oh noes! My precious ward has gone from a super unstrippable aegis with 75% upkeep to a super unstrippable aegis with 50% upkeep!
The horror!
The agony!

oh wait...

N1ghtstalker · Mar 07, 2008, 08:38 AM // 08:38

it's less efficient now but i think i'll keep using it combined with other skills

Div · Mar 24, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Hi. Mind blast is still cool. I'd sticky this but then no one reads stickies. They only read threads that are at the top but aren't stickied.

Sethellington · Mar 24, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

nice title ^^

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 25, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

was massume banned?

also i think they actually buffed the bar in PVE

blue.rellik · Mar 25, 2008, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

was massume banned?

also i think they actually buffed the bar in PVE

Banned people have a line through their name I believe

Captain Miken · Mar 25, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

was massume banned?

also i think they actually buffed the bar in PVE

Massmune can make his title appear as anything.

Tyla · Mar 25, 2008, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Grammar

Mind Blast was JUST FINE the way it was. Mind Blast was never the problem.
Rodgort's Invocation and its ridiculous 5 sec recast was the problem. Now that RI's recast has been fixed, the nerf to Mind Blast completely unnecessary and uncalled for.

If don't you realise how strong the energy management on this skill alone is, I think you should quit playing.

It allowed things like Blinding Flash, to be spammed alongside with Mind Blast, constantly without running into major energy problems.

"Just fine" is long off wrong.

saleenman · Mar 31, 2008, 02:21 AM // 02:21

i would like to know i run a dual attunement build and it kicks ass but are there any non elite move that work just like mid blast maybe not as powerful by chance but still the same concept

Vexed · Mar 31, 2008, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by saleenman

i would like to know i run a dual attunement build and it kicks ass but are there any non elite move that work just like mid blast maybe not as powerful by chance but still the same concept

Similar but not the same.
[skill]glowing gaze[/skill]
Glowing gaze (nightfall) returns energy when it strikes a burning foe.
[skill]glowing ice[/skill]
Glowing ice (EOTN) returns energy when it strikes a water-hexed foe.
[skill]glowstone[/skill]
Glowstone (nightfall) returns energy when it strikes a weakened foe.
[skill]shock arrow[/skill]
Shock Arrow (factions) returns energy when it strikes an attacking foe.

None of these are as reliable or on-demand as MB, which is why MB is elite, but they can help if you can readily cause or predict the necessary condition.

Star Krestt · Mar 31, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

i think SF+gaze+ri is better anyways

and the best nuke is dual attune + echo+ri+glyph of lesser energy

Tyla · Mar 31, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Why would you use RI on an SF bar?

Besides, the main point of MB is to deal some damage while keeping energy huuuuuuuge. It allows your bar to have alot more flexibility.

Dr Strangelove · Mar 31, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Arguing that other bars are better because they can do more damage is completely missing the point on why mind blast is good. Mind blast lets you run piles of utility. Other bars do not.

Marverick · Apr 01, 2008, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Why would you use RI on an SF bar?

because [skill]Auspicious Incantation[/skill][skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill] is good energy?