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kainmodious · Mar 04, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

hello all

i was just wondering what would be better to make a mesmer or a rit? i have a toon of all the other races and was looking for a new toon to create.

I was wondering which one was more complicated or challenging to play and why.

thank you for your input and recommendations

Kain Modious

Fishmonger · Mar 04, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51

My reccomendation would be rit. Although mesmers are very fun to play (my 2nd favorite prof), their utility is limited in PvE. 330 rits are one of the most popular farming builds out right now, not to mention you can do many other things. IMHO, rits are just more useful at this point

Coloneh · Mar 04, 2008, 04:51 AM // 04:51

rit is the viable one. mesmers have a useless primary attribute

Chik N Nuggets · Mar 04, 2008, 06:21 AM // 06:21

Rit..

12 chars

Stormlord Alex · Mar 04, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

The Mesmer would be more complicated and challenging - essentially, you'll be doing a hell of a lot less for your team as a Mes than as a Rit, so your party will be weaker overall.

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 04, 2008, 06:41 AM // 06:41

mesmer if you want to get better at the game.

rt if you dont care/like being a bitch

Draginvry · Mar 04, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

mesmer if you want to get better at the game.

Quoted for Truth.

Coloneh · Mar 04, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

mesmer if you want to get better at the game.

quoted for not making any sense

playing some sort of monk might make you better at the game... mesmer just gives you the illusion that as long as you are pressing buttons you are helping your team.

Tyla · Mar 04, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

playing some sort of monk might make you better at the game... mesmer just gives you the illusion that as long as you are pressing buttons you are helping your team.

Quoted for not making sense.
Mesmer's are weaker in PvE, but for PvP they are....I LOVE THEM! A good mesmer can screw up a good monk's day.

Rit if you want to see numbers fly from Ancestor's Rage & Splinter Weapon, although I think Ancestor's will probably get nerfed soon....

Trylo · Mar 05, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

lulz @ coloneh not understanding mesmers... interrupting a rodgorts just saved your team 300+ damage and made the ele lose 25+ energy... even in PvE thats a good idea

anyways: I have both a rit and mes in pve and i generally like playing the rit more just because of the vastly different builds they can play. you can pretty much try out any melee class with [skill]Spirit's Strength[/skill] and ghostforge insignias. splinter barraging/volley is just plain fun. support heal with a splinter thrown on can also make you a very useful character.

if you havent noticed yet... try the rit. if you dont like it for some odd reason try mesmer. its pretty fun to load up with 3 or 4 interrupts and tab around the enemy lines stopping spells

Coloneh · Mar 05, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Trylo

lulz @ coloneh not understanding mesmers... interrupting a rodgorts just saved your team 300+ damage and made the ele lose 25+ energy... even in PvE thats a good idea

no its not. killing it is a good idea, you can pretty easily drop a target thats standing still casting a spell. besides BHA rangers interrupt everything better.

and im not talking about PvP here at all, but mesmers are sub-par in PvE. thats not to say they are useless, they are just less useful than every other profession. they can interrupt, but rangers can do it better. they can hex, but necros can do it better. they can nuke, but eles can do it better... the list goes on.

mesmers can DO plenty of things, but they really arent very good at anything.

they do look nice though, which is enough reason for some people to play them in PvE

and if you want to argue, name one mesmer build that does anything better than another profession could do it.

RavagerOfDreams · Mar 05, 2008, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

mesmers can DO plenty of things, but they really arent very good at anything.

to name a few...

interrupting
making monks pull there hair out due to excessive diversion/shame use
making me pull my hair out for excessive clumsiness/ineptitude spamming

stripping enchants - shatter enchantment makes spirit bond go boom
i dunno just generally f@#$ing up everyone's builds?

o and btw your going to need a flame retardant suit for the imminent flaming you are about to get for the mesmer hate

Yuhe Ji · Mar 05, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

I prefer the rit, though that's probably simply because I don't have a mesmer. I set up Gwen with an caster shutdown build though and it works wonders so mesmers definitely have a place in PvE. Just haven't seen too many good mesmers recently. The ritualist is a lot of fun to play, because rits can do so many different things. They are great at farming, and can be set up to heal or do damage.

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 05, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Personally I'd take the Rit. Everything the Mesmer is good for is beaten by the AI (take a Mes hero), except for one or two things.

Coloneh · Mar 05, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

interrupting

rangers do it better

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making monks pull there hair out due to excessive diversion/shame use

rangers do it better

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making me pull my hair out for excessive clumsiness/ineptitude spamming

necros do it better

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stripping enchants - shatter enchantment makes spirit bond go boom

necros do it better

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i dunno just generally f@#$ing up everyone's builds?

necros, rangers, and even eles do it better

im not saying mesmers skills are bad. im saying the profession as a primary is bad. virtually no mesmer skills require a heavy investment to use efectively, and fast casting is USELESS espically when compared to sould reaping or energy storage.

Tyla · Mar 05, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Coloneh, Diversion / Shame can easily screw up a monk better than a Ranger - as Shame doesn't require as much pre-empting and Diversion can mess up the recharge on some skills.

And Shatter Enchantment is a strong asset in a spike assist.

How do Elementalists screw up peoples builds by the way...?
Unless it's Blinding Flash on Melee, but thats not screwing up a build, that's shutting him down until Blind is removed - and monks are there.

Oh yeah, Fast Casting is actually quite strong in reducing chances to be interrupted by your friendly neighbourhood ranger...

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 06, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Mesmer, Ritualist... play both to Level 20 and grab a few elites on each, do several missions, maybe a campaign, then keep the one you like best. I'm not a big fan of PvE mesmers. Neat armour sets and everything, but I don't find it fun. I do find the Ritualist fun. As well as having even better armour skins.

RavagerOfDreams · Mar 06, 2008, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Coloneh, Diversion / Shame can easily screw up a monk better than a Ranger - as Shame doesn't require as much pre-empting and Diversion can mess up the recharge on some skills.

And Shatter Enchantment is a strong asset in a spike assist.

How do Elementalists screw up peoples builds by the way...?
Unless it's Blinding Flash on Melee, but thats not screwing up a build, that's shutting him down until Blind is removed - and monks are there.

Oh yeah, Fast Casting is actually quite strong in reducing chances to be interrupted by your friendly neighbourhood ranger...

QFT

and no coloneh there is no way a ranger could even come close to doing what diversion/shame can. All you have to do is throw one on the infuser before the spike and he can't/won't/ infuse and if he does he loses it for a minute

mezzy is my preference btw as they are more a offensive prof the rits who mainly do support nowadays

Coloneh · Mar 06, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

still waiting on someone to throw out a mesmer build that does something better than any other profession... haven't seen one since 2005....

i won't hold my breath

DarkSpirit · Mar 06, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50

The problem with mesmers is whenever they have a viable PvE build, everyone just can't resist nerfing it to death and making PvE mesmers useless again. Seems ANet has destined PvE mesmers to fail.

Giving mesmers elite skills like Tease is enough evidence for this. I remember arguing with someone who challenged me to give a viable and powerful PvE build for mesmers and after I did, he kept saying we should nerf it right away! It is not fair!