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Sir Tidus · Mar 24, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

People have been saying that tactics is now worthless for warriors. Is this true? If so why? Also does that mean strength shields should be more sought after than tactics shields? Thanks in advance.

Boogz · Mar 24, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

tactis is dead due to the nerfs on "Watch Yourself!", "Fear Me!", "Shields Up!" and the buff on Lion's Comfort.Tactis is only used on monks at arenas for Balanced Stanced and Disciplined Stance imo

Sir Tidus · Mar 24, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Boogz

tactis is dead due to the nerfs on "Watch Yourself!", "Fear Me!", "Shields Up!" and the buff on Lion's Comfort.Tactis is only used on monks at arenas for Balanced Stanced and Disciplined Stance imo

Does that mean we will see a drop in the prices of tactics shields pretty soon? I have a diamond aegis, should I sell it?

jonnieboi05 · Mar 24, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Does that mean we will see a drop in the prices of tactics shields pretty soon? I have a diamond aegis, should I sell it?

mostly likely. tactics shields have always been cheaper than str req shields to begin with anyway.

~LeNa~

Luminarus · Mar 24, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Yes you should probably sell it, although the skin is already worthless so the price drop wont be that noticable...

MagmaRed · Mar 24, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Tactics is not dead for the people that know how to use it. The skills people used a lot got nerfed, but there are other skills in Tactics that work well. Most of the 'Tactics is dead' crowd is PvP only.

Riposte, Deadly Riposte, Balanced Stance, Wary Stance, etc. all offer nice options for PvE warriors. There are also some nice attack skills like Drunken Blow, but people forget them.

Tactics is less effective for certain things, but it is not dead.

[Morkai] · Mar 24, 2008, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Steady Stance and Glads defense is all the is rly left tbh, And the Drunken attacks.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 24, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Riposte, Deadly Riposte, Balanced Stance, Wary Stance, etc. are all really bad skills for PvE warriors.

Fix'd
Tanking skills on warriors is baed.

Tactics was really dead in PvE ever since "Save Yourselves!" appeared, tbh.
Killing "Watch Yourself!" alongside the Lion's buff was the final nail.

Now, all that's left is Steady Stancers and some nich stuff for farming/caster self-defense.

Winterclaw · Mar 24, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

What Alex said. Anet just beat that horsie until it died. Healing sig is usable, but I don't think it's worth the points for what it can do. Now if anet made the cast time one second and removed the armor penalty, it would be worth considering for a self-heal, however the rest of the skill line is weak.

BTW Magma, mob AI tends to focus on people with lower HP and AL in that order.

Numa Pompilius · Mar 24, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Only time I use tactics for my warriors is in some solo farming builds, e.g. FoW spider farmer.

Age · Mar 24, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

What about those who what to run "Charge!"?This could be used in both parts of the game.

DarkKnight · Mar 24, 2008, 02:39 AM // 02:39

On most PvP or general PvE build tactics is a bit forgotten but not completely useless.

Sir Tidus · Mar 24, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Fix'd
Tanking skills on warriors is baed.

Tactics was really dead in PvE ever since "Save Yourselves!" appeared, tbh.
Killing "Watch Yourself!" alongside the Lion's buff was the final nail.

Now, all that's left is Steady Stancers and some nich stuff for farming/caster self-defense.

I have to say that deadly riposte and riposte aren't for "tanking", they are doing armor ignoring damage to melee attackers.

free_fall · Mar 24, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Not having played a warrior in a while (been leaving that to Koss/Jora when playing non-W chars), I was surprized to see the Watch Yourself nerf when I recently started playing a new W toon.

I generally check the updates thread to see if any skills I normally use got him by the nerf bat but must have missed that one somehow. Bummer - Watch yourself was a nice skill. Upshot is that I've taken it off her bar and put those Tactics points into Strength instead. Of course, that means no Balanced Stance for her, either - so she gets knocked down on occassion, no biggie.

masta_yoda · Mar 24, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55

half of the tactic skills are really useless now

Tyla · Mar 24, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

I have to say that deadly riposte and riposte aren't for "tanking", they are doing armor ignoring damage to melee attackers.

Not much damage involved, only works on idiots...
Plus it's only on one attack.

"WY!" is outclassed by "GftE!" on PvP Paragons now, anyway.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 24, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

I have to say that deadly riposte and riposte aren't for "tanking", they are doing armor ignoring damage to melee attackers.

Or you could take an attack skill and deal comparable damage even if they don't attack you.
Ripostes are bad.

MagmaRed · Mar 24, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

BTW Magma, mob AI tends to focus on people with lower HP and AL in that order.

True. However, if you work with intelligent people, a warrior can gather a group of enemies, both melee and casters to a single location. He can then hold them there (even without snares) for your team to dish out damage. I won't argue the merits of tanking in PvE, but it does work (if you doubt me, go look for a PUG doing Slavers). Riposte, Deadly Riposte, Shield Stance, Defensive Stance, Wary Stance, etc. all allow a warrior to reduce the damage he takes. Skills like Riposte allow damage to be dealt as well. Since PvE monsters will have Wild Strike, Throw, Blow often, the non stance skills like Riposte are the better option.

Tactics is not dead. It has changed, and, uh oh, requires intelligence to use now. Note also, I am referring to PvE Tactics only.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 24, 2008, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

However, if you work with intelligent people...

Intelligent people don't bring tanks. They take an imbagon, a curse necro, and monks that know how to prot and let the monsters break themselves on layers of defense; whilst they steamroll things faster than any tank-n-spank group ever could.

The Daemon Warrior · Mar 24, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Tanking skills on warriors is baed

Then why do you see people in high lvl area's asking around for an Obi Tank? (sure that doesnt involve Much Tactics Skills (Wary Stance?) but it is a form of tanking on warriors)

You can still use some tactics skills for farming though. I'd say tactics is not dead, just dying.