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Tyla · Mar 19, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Only if I'm running Avatar of Melandru.
Critical Hit damage from a Scythe is very strong -- even though you only have 12 weapon spec.

By the way, how isn't a Scythesin viable...?

P.S: I rarely see Enchantment Strips in PvE, same goes for Interrupts most of the time, but they're there -- for Enchant Strips I use COVER ENCHANTMENTS by the way.

Oh yeah, Bowsins are actually bad.

Unreal Havoc · Mar 19, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

If you fail to land your first attack...? That can be caused by a number of things. Enchant Removal on your SBS or AR then blind. Simply kiting...

I heard enchantment covering was good. Yes you are really going to miss an attack by your target kiting while wielding Daggers. You're assuming the Assassin is using Golden Phoenix Strike as a lead I believe. Other leads exist, if you have trouble landing it, use another. It's called adapting to the area before you.

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The thing that 'Sins lack compared to Warriors is a decent IAS with normal weapon strength for free pressure. And a speedboost.

Assassins don't need it, (not to say they don't have it, Critical Agility and Conjure Lightning along with Critical Strikes for the win) they have all that lovely bonus damage on their dagger attacks for a reason. Free pressure doesn't mean squat if you are blocked by your target, have fun building up adrenaline, while the Assassin takes them apart with its unblockable chain. Dash, crippling, and shadowsteps for the win by the way.

Critical Interrupters and Barragers are actually pretty good if used correctly.

Not to mention this is wandering somewhat off topic now, lol. Back to Axes shall we?

Tyla · Mar 19, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Free pressure doesn't do shit if you're being blocked?
Ohai, I can targetswitch.

P.S: I can run Shadowsteps on a Warrior aswell.

Unreal Havoc · Mar 19, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Free pressure doesn't do shit if you're being blocked?
Ohai, I can targetswitch.

P.S: I can run Shadowsteps on a Warrior aswell.

Oh my god! Assassins can target switch too!

Super Igor · Mar 19, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Dervs have loads of great Elites besides AoM, u dont kno it, u fail.

of and ur fancy cover enchantment doesnt exist, u need to take atleast two atacks on a scythesin to make it even a little viable, and if u are using your poor hero to cover ur enchanted Ass with another enchantement and waste your heroe's energy than u are sooo bad.

As a propper Dagger assassin I dont need an enchantement covering so badly, I will still have good power if they get removed to be viable till the racast, and if u dont know still most mobs have multiple ways to disenchant u, so your enchantment removal (which u ned so badly) is pointless.

Bow sins are good btw.

Go Go Daggers!

~Super Igor

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Tyla · Mar 19, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Oh my god! Assassins can target switch too!

Yet they have to cancel their chain...

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Dervs have loads of great Elites besides AoM, u dont kno it, u fail.

Eh...?
AoM is the best Dervish elite there is -- Scythesin is comparable, true but AoM allows a much better speedboost, 60 seconds of godmode (without Eternal Aura), and I myself don't see how ANY other Dervish elite is comparable to it.

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of and ur fancy cover enchantment doesnt exist, u need to take atleast two atacks on a scythesin to make it even a little viable, and if u are using your poor hero to cover ur enchanted Ass with another enchantement and waste your heroe's energy than u are sooo bad.

You have to take atleast 3 skills on your 'Sin to have any decent effect. Any less and it's not even close to viable.

P.S: Run a Healers' Covenant hero, cover enchantments are cheap on that bar. Very cheap. And besides, Cover Enchantments aren't at all dear...

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As a propper Dagger assassin I dont need an enchantement covering so badly, I will still have good power if they get removed to be viable till the racast, and if u dont know still most mobs have multiple ways to disenchant u, so your enchantment removal (which u ned so badly) is pointless.

Most mobs? I rarely face Enchantment Removal in PvE.
And Scythesins have a nifty Critchance without the enchantment.

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Bow sins are good btw.

No they aren't. You have your 'Sin spamming Barrage, when you can get a Ranger do something useful and use BHA -> Epedemic.

RavagerOfDreams · Mar 19, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Oh my god! Assassins can target switch too!

not without interrupting the chain

warriors have a much easier time switching targets then sins you can't argue with the fact

Unreal Havoc · Mar 20, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Yet they have to cancel their chain...

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

not without interrupting the chain

warriors have a much easier time switching targets then sins you can't argue with the fact

Any decent Sin has a quick recharging chain in PvE for this exact reason. Meaning... it doesn't matter. If you have any foresight of what your about to fight, you won't be blocked in the first place.

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You have to take atleast 3 skills on your 'Sin to have any decent effect. Any less and it's not even close to viable.

Your point here is? You have 8 skill slots, feel free to use them however you see fit.

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P.S: Run a Healers' Covenant hero, cover enchantments are cheap on that bar. Very cheap. And besides, Cover Enchantments aren't at all dear...

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Most mobs? I rarely face Enchantment Removal in PvE.

You have gone in circles with cover enchantments/enchantment stripping throughout the debate. I suggest you stop and re-evalute on this subject. One minute you say it's a problem to a Assassin, then the next you say its a rare issue and something hardly to worry about. Make your mind up.

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No they aren't. You have your 'Sin spamming Barrage, when you can get a Ranger do something useful and use BHA -> Epedemic.

Spamming AoE critical hits that cause bleeding is good, however I think you completely missed the point here.

BHA & Epidemic is good but so is a Fevered Dreams Assassin that spreads cripple, poison, bleeding, deep wound, and if you want, blind too.

But lets get down to the real issue at hand here, because this is just going nowhere. The hard fact is any well built build with any weapon is viable dependant on why you are using it, the skills you have selected for the mission/quest at hand, and how you use it. That... comes down to the player, not the class, or the weapon used.

RavagerOfDreams · Mar 20, 2008, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Any decent Sin has a quick recharging chain in PvE for this exact reason. Meaning... it doesn't matter. If you have any foresight of what your about to fight, you won't be blocked in the first place.

thought you were talking about pvp

Unreal Havoc · Mar 20, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

thought you were talking about pvp

I'm not, I don't know about anyone else though. Lol.

Tyla · Mar 20, 2008, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Any decent Sin has a quick recharging chain in PvE for this exact reason. Meaning... it doesn't matter. If you have any foresight of what your about to fight, you won't be blocked in the first place.

That's why I <3 Foxes Scythe Sin.

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Your point here is? You have 8 skill slots, feel free to use them however you see fit.

Use skillslots to get to your goal skills. Saving them = win.

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You have gone in circles with cover enchantments/enchantment stripping throughout the debate. I suggest you stop and re-evalute on this subject. One minute you say it's a problem to a Assassin, then the next you say its a rare issue and something hardly to worry about. Make your mind up.

When you're going to an area where Enchantment Removal is huge, use Cover Enchantments. Please use your brain. I rarely see Enchant Removal in PvE -- but when I do? Use covers.

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Spamming AoE critical hits that cause bleeding is good, however I think you completely missed the point here.

Bleeding is a pitiful condition. And Bow'Sins are stupid in essence. Because Barrage is a bad skill in itself.

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BHA & Epidemic is good but so is a Fevered Dreams Assassin that spreads cripple, poison, bleeding, deep wound, and if you want, blind too.

Enfeebling Blood that can be upkept indefinately with Nearby range is good.

Don't forget none of them has caster shutdown. BHA -> Epedemic is one of the strongest tools you can use in PvE shutdown.

Super Igor · Mar 20, 2008, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Im talking PvE!

Wunna use Scythes, make a Dervish.

Wunna use Warrior weps, make a Warrior.

But is u are plaing Assassin then play it with Daggers, It will always be more efficient.

~Super Igor

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P.S. AoM is not th best Derv Elite there is. ApD, AoL, Wounding Strike, Arcane Zeal, Pious Renewal to name a few.

BlackSephir · Mar 20, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

That's why I <3 Foxes Scythe Sin.

Try Ebon Dust Aura + Unseen Fury, maybe it'll be decent

Tyla · Mar 20, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

P.S. AoM is not th best Derv Elite there is. ApD, AoL, Wounding Strike, Arcane Zeal, Pious Renewal to name a few.

Avatar of Melandru...+100 health, Eviscerates coming off every 6 seconds and immunity to conditions isn't the best?

I know AoL is a powerhouse for damage, but when it comes to HM, you're going to be losing damage oppertunities.
Pious Renewal is actually bad unless you're running the all-Dervish FoW clear. Arcane Zeal is only good on Orders Dervish. Wounding Strike is nowhere as imba. AoD is quite stupid, you're wasting your elite when you can take something FAR stronger in place. And you missed Ebon Dust Aura.
On topic...

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Try Ebon Dust Aura + Unseen Fury, maybe it'll be decent

And if you get blocked on the attack to trigger EDA?

Plus that is 2 skills needed. It's dependant on the Enchantment AND the Stance.

Sexy combo, still.

BlackSephir · Mar 20, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

That's why I <3 Foxes Scythe Sin.

I seriously lol'd
I lol'd so hard that I rofl'd

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Fox's Promise: functionality changed to: For 5..20 seconds, your dagger attacks cannot be blocked. This enchantment ends the next time you fail to hit.

Go go EDA scythe sin!!1

Bowstring Badass · Mar 20, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

That's why I use to <3 Foxes Scythe Sin.

Fox's Promise: functionality changed to: For 5..20 seconds, your dagger attacks cannot be blocked. This enchantment ends the next time you fail to hit.

They owned it today.

BTW FIX'D.

edit- Sephir beat me by about 30 mins XD.

BlackSephir · Mar 20, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

BTW FIX'D.

U fixd it wrong
Very angry surprised face

DDL · Mar 21, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

When you're going to an area where Enchantment Removal is huge, use Cover Enchantments. Please use your brain. I rarely see Enchant Removal in PvE -- but when I do? Use covers.

Out of curiosity (and sorry to temp derail the thread) how many covers are we talking here? If you're somewhere like the crystal desert with mobs of 3+ scarabs chaining [skill]chilblains[/skill], you're going to need 6 at least. Or would the idea be to simply not use anything enchant-requiring there?

So, yeah: on average, how many covers?

craigrs84 · Mar 21, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

sigh... first they seem to promote non dagger based sins with the EoTN skills, then they nerf the capabilities. Sucks for people that have a sin as their primary PvE character, they are just more and more limited to the Mobieus-DB build. It feels like Anets saying delete your assasin, were eliminating this class, even though we've spent countless hours building our characters up. Don't know about all you but I don't have time to create a new character and start over.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 21, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

no matter what anet does i'll still keep my sin.

but thats me i spent too much on him