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Dean Harper · Apr 24, 2007, 02:55 AM // 02:55

Why no builds with Visions Of Regret in them? It seems to me like a good skill. Paired with Empahty, Energy Burn, and maybe Arcane Echo to spread VoR, this seems like a great skill that could do a lot of damage. This could also be paired with a cover hex such as Mind Wrack.

Pwny Ride · Apr 24, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Dean Harper

Why no builds with Visions Of Regret in them? It seems to me like a good skill. Paired with Empahty, Energy Burn, and maybe Arcane Echo to spread VoR, this seems like a great skill that could do a lot of damage. This could also be paired with a cover hex such as Mind Wrack.

Sure you have alot of theories but have you even bothered going out to try this in-game? it may SEEM like a good skill, but to alot of players it isnt.
It has been suggested before that it should trigger with every attack skill, not only adrenaline skills.

Helcaraxe · Apr 24, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

think about this though.... there are only two professions that use adrenaline. If playing NF, you run into both.... if playing either factions of proph you only run into one. In a standard group you get maybe 1 or two warriors.... and they dont always have adrenaline skills, for instance the stone summit warriors usually only carry energy attacks (as far as I know).

So basically, this skill is severely limited in who it affects.... mesmer skills are conditional enough as it is >_<

Avarre · Apr 24, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by Helcaraxe

think about this though.... there are only two professions that use adrenaline. If playing NF, you run into both.... if playing either factions of proph you only run into one. In a standard group you get maybe 1 or two warriors.... and they dont always have adrenaline skills, for instance the stone summit warriors usually only carry energy attacks (as far as I know).

So basically, this skill is severely limited in who it affects.... mesmer skills are conditional enough as it is >_<

This is correct. The skill saw brief play in PvP against paragons in hex builds, but has no real use besides niche areas.

XvArchonvX · Apr 24, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by Helcaraxe

think about this though.... there are only two professions that use adrenaline. If playing NF, you run into both.... if playing either factions of proph you only run into one. In a standard group you get maybe 1 or two warriors.... and they dont always have adrenaline skills, for instance the stone summit warriors usually only carry energy attacks (as far as I know).

So basically, this skill is severely limited in who it affects.... mesmer skills are conditional enough as it is >_<

All Stone Summit warriors except for Stone Summit Crushers and Stone Summit Beastmasters use 2-3 adrenal skills. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Stone_Summit

VoR isn't a bad skill, but as said, it is a niche skill that really only fits in on a bar that needs more anti melee damage. The reason it sees so little play is because it is essentially a backfire that is elite and more conditional.

Utaku · Apr 24, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

It's fun to play in alliance battles, so many sever gash final thrust wammos fall for this ...

Dutch Masterr · Apr 24, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

[skill]ineptitude[/skill] is a better skill, thats why =D

Dean Harper · Apr 25, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

But what about pvp? A lot of wars use adrenaline as well as paragons. And as utaku said, its great in AB's. Also, i havent tried it because i havent beaten NF on my mesmer yet.

Coloneh · Apr 25, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

ineptitude owns it. and its to specific for PvP when you can get the warrior to stop attacking with empathy.

Francis Demeules · Apr 25, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

I always thinking Vision of Regret is really used against those who use low adrenaline skill (For example in PvE, Stone Summit with Cleave [E]) and any spamming adrenaline builds (Such as Ntouka Builds I found earlier). That can be a good counter against Lion Comfort by the way.

LightningHell · Apr 25, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

ineptitude owns it. and its to specific for PvP when you can get the warrior to stop attacking with empathy.

Both are bad for pvp.

Terra Xin · Apr 25, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

I can only think of it as a counter for... fearway? I think an AoE effect with slightly reduced damage wouldn't be too bad.

XvArchonvX · Apr 25, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Both are bad for pvp.

Bad for high end PvP*

Ineptitude isn't a bad choice for a RA mesmer when faction farming and can work in some AB builds as well. There are warriors smart enough to stop attacking when they see it cast on them, but for RA, it will usually deal a good damage spike and provide a decent shutdown for a little while. In other PvP such as HA and GvG where a team must have a good synergy to attain success and mesmers have better protection with the aid of fellow monks, there are much better builds/elites to run.

Tbh, I think VoR is just one of those skills A-net tossed into the game just in case the meta goes extremely adrenal based melee (return of the IWAY? lol) so that players will have a bit more variety in counters to try, even if it's not going to be the best choice.

LightningHell · Apr 25, 2007, 04:55 AM // 04:55

I should say all three are bad for (organized) PvP unless in an extremely melee-based meta, of which then VoR is usable.

Empathy is self-explanatory, Visions of Regret is too situational, and there are better Illusion elites if you go Illusion.

Dutch Masterr · Apr 25, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

VoR is just too situational like LightningHell said, and you have to remember that not all warriors are going to have alot of adrenal skills. Ineptitude is good in AB and RA like Archon said because there are tons of warriors, assassins and rangers there. In high-end pvp it would be way too easily countered with a simple condition removal. Ineptitude is also a bit better (especially in PvE) because you can catch casters off-guard who are attacking with their wand/staff.