Curse

znxjanx · Aug 29, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

i tried this.. and the triple chop keeps "jamming" when i try to you is.. it seems like it doesnt have a target even when i clearly am attacking a kirin. this got me killed quite some times as only cyclone axe doesnt heal me enough.. maybe this happens to me only >_>

/edit: i am using my c key to attack :'(

these things always happen to me -.-

DOCB22 · Aug 29, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by znxjanx

i tried this.. and the triple chop keeps "jamming" when i try to you is.. it seems like it doesnt have a target even when i clearly am attacking a kirin. this got me killed quite some times as only cyclone axe doesnt heal me enough.. maybe this happens to me only >_>

Hit your C key !!!!!

A Leprechaun · Aug 29, 2006, 10:42 AM // 10:42

wow sorry i insulted this thread but please no harm was intended i was just saying, no need to snap and yes 2ndname i hear you it does get boring so i do vermin, troll, etc, etc aswell to fill time and yes i probably will try this i was just saying ...

~A Leprechaun~

majoho · Aug 29, 2006, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Don't think there's much new about this, but a nice write-up.

Been doing a similar thing but not with judges insight, I use "Shielding Hands" since it effectivly voids the "Barbs" effect from the Stone Scale Kirins.

EDIT:

Btw. your max damage is 97 not the higher number you posted - you get those high numbers on the minions (obviously since they are undead) - I tried it the build myself and did 160 on one of the minions.

I'm not trying to diss this but the time killing isn't really faster than other builds, you do more damage but less often and judges insight aren't helping that much really. And the only reason I'm being critical here is because of the title that makes it sound like it's something extremely awesome.

Anyway it's not bad and surely useful for some people, and Kurzik keys drop quite frequently there, never had a gold there tho.

King's Spectre · Aug 29, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Heheh nice write-up, I've been warrior farming that spot since the beta weekend.

One thing I do is dump the points in str down to 9 and axe down to 12. Use the extra points in smiting and run zealot's fire. As long as you don't spam zealots fire, you don't break agro. The skill progression looks something like this:

Healing breeze (zealot's damage) -> cyclone -> bonetti's -> vigorous (zealots) -> cyclone + triple.

Sometimes I notice that you get a little position confusion going on; you hit C but fail to start attacking the critter (the server thinks it's out of reach). When this happens a couple "tab-space" cycles usually gets things going again. If cyclone required a target like triple, this little feature would be deadly.

Atticus Awesomus · Aug 29, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

wow sorry i insulted this thread but please no harm was intended i was just saying, no need to snap and yes 2ndname i hear you it does get boring so i do vermin, troll, etc, etc aswell to fill time and yes i probably will try this i was just saying ...

~A Leprechaun~

Not a problem, I welcome comments and I didn't feel insulted. Feedback (even negative feedback provided it is constructive) should always be welcomed.

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Originally Posted by majoho

Don't think there's much new about this, but a nice write-up.

Been doing a similar thing but not with judges insight, I use "Shielding Hands" since it effectivly voids the "Barbs" effect from the Stone Scale Kirins.

EDIT:

Btw. your max damage is 97 not the higher number you posted - you get those high numbers on the minions (obviously since they are undead) - I tried it the build myself and did 160 on one of the minions.

I'm not trying to diss this but the time killing isn't really faster than other builds, you do more damage but less often and judges insight aren't helping that much really. And the only reason I'm being critical here is because of the title that makes it sound like it's something extremely awesome.

Anyway it's not bad and surely useful for some people, and Kurzik keys drop quite frequently there, never had a gold there tho.

I assure you that 114 is the max damage I've done on a Stone Scale Kirin using Triple Chop. I have done the run so many times that I am absolutely certain it was a Stone Scale Kirin and not a Vampiric Horror (I can do as much as 220 damage to them with Triple Chop). Are you using the axe that gives +20% damage while hexed? As soon as I can get a screenshot of me doing that much damage I will post it.

Shielding hands is a good suggestion, I also tried Smite Hex (floppingHogs suggestion) which works if you want to do more damage.

I'm sorry if you think the title is misleading, I simply didn't know what else to call it. In defense of the title though, this is the build I used to make myself a GW millionaire (although to be fair 250k was made sellling those gold gothic swords (15%^50) and gold gothic dual axes (15% -5 energy))

I've not been able to find a W/Mo build that killed faster in this run. I've tried the classic Cyclone Axe/ Glad's defense with various smiting skills but it took me around 5 minutes. If there are other builds I wouldn't mind looking at them if you could suggest them. Keep in mind I don't have a Monk, only a necro, ranger, and warrior.

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Originally Posted by znxjanx

i tried this.. and the triple chop keeps "jamming" when i try to you is.. it seems like it doesnt have a target even when i clearly am attacking a kirin. this got me killed quite some times as only cyclone axe doesnt heal me enough.. maybe this happens to me only >_>

/edit: i am using my c key to attack :'(

these things always happen to me -.-

This happens sometimes. I mentioed in my guide that Triple Chop must be targeting something to work. If you press the C key it will target the closest enemy, then use Triple Chop. I've noticed that sometimes you will be so mobbed that ever if you do this Triple Chop still won't work. All you have to do then it fire of a Cyclone Axe to keep you healed, press the TAB key (which targest the next enemy), and try Triple Chop again. Eventually you will find an enemy close enough for Triple Chop to work.

Atticus Awesomus · Aug 29, 2006, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by King's Spectre

Heheh nice write-up, I've been warrior farming that spot since the beta weekend.

One thing I do is dump the points in str down to 9 and axe down to 12. Use the extra points in smiting and run zealot's fire. As long as you don't spam zealots fire, you don't break agro. The skill progression looks something like this:

Healing breeze (zealot's damage) -> cyclone -> bonetti's -> vigorous (zealots) -> cyclone + triple.

Sometimes I notice that you get a little position confusion going on; you hit C but fail to start attacking the critter (the server thinks it's out of reach). When this happens a couple "tab-space" cycles usually gets things going again. If cyclone required a target like triple, this little feature would be deadly.

That sounds like it might work very well. I was using something like this except it was Holy Wrath and Balthazars aura. They kept breaking aggro which lenghtened the time of my runs. I really like your suggestions. I suspect it kills as quickly as my method (maybe this is what majoho was referring to). I'll can't wait to try it tonight. How often do you have to trigger zealots fire so they don't break aggro?

majoho · Aug 29, 2006, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Atticus Awesomus

Are you using the axe that gives +20% damage while hexed?

To be fair I was not, I tried again and noticed a 117 on a Kirin so I'll take it back

I was using 15 axe, 9 str, 9 healing, 8 smiting and an axe with 15% while enchanted, customized +20%, Sundering, Axe Mastery.

Still the really high numbers are not that often and I still don't think the average damage over time is much bigger than other builds, plus energy management is a bit tricky with this - I'll see if I can think of some improvement.

majoho · Aug 29, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Ok here's the improvement (well in my opinion).

Simply replace "Bonettis" with "Balthazar's Spirit" - yes it gives you a energy degen (since you will be having three maintained enhancements) but it works just fine.

Before you enter battle, cast "Mending" and "Balthazar's Spirit", when you have rounded up the mobs cast "Live Viscariously" and then proceed as described in the OP.

The mobs will be hitting you so much that you will have full energy all the time even with the energy degen, and this takes away the need to click "Bonettis" during battle

Atticus Awesomus · Aug 29, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by majoho

Ok here's the improvement (well in my opinion).

Simply replace "Bonettis" with "Balthazar's Spirit" - yes it gives you a energy degen (since you will be having three maintained enhancements) but it works just fine.

Before you enter battle, cast "Mending" and "Balthazar's Spirit", when you have rounded up the mobs cast "Live Viscariously" and then proceed as described in the OP.

The mobs will be hitting you so much that you will have full energy all the time even with the energy degen, and this takes away the need to click "Bonettis" during battle

I hadn't thought of that and it's a good idea since energy can be an issue toward the end of the run. I should have posted this long ago, you guys have given me a lot of new ideas. Thanks for the suggestions majoho, I'll try it tonight.

Haggard · Aug 29, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Hells Last Survivor

If you want to max your plant fiber return in salvage, Gloom Seeds are the way to go. 8-10 of them can get you between 80 and 100 fibers.

I take it this is why there's always someone buying them at ToA?

Ezekiel Prophet · Aug 29, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Atticus Awesomus

How often do you have to trigger zealots fire so they don't break aggro?

I believe it is more than once in a four second period will trigger AoE panic. I've found that using Healing Touch is a perfect skill for ZF, doing the low level minotaurs outside Icetooth Cave. The recharge is 5s, so you can use it again everytime it recharges. Provided you dont need to renew another enchantment or cast some other spell, of course.

ubrikkean · Aug 29, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

About the damage argument, there are 3 different reasons the damage might cap out at different places. 1) Damage mod, 15% while enchanted as opposed to 20% while hexed, or some other mod you might be using. 2) Customization; I forget it sometimes (didn't in this case), but that's a whole 20% bonus lost without it. 3) A sundering Axe mod would make every 5th attack a bit more powerful... I think that's what the 117 from majojo might be.

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel Prophet

I believe it is more than once in a four second period will trigger AoE panic. I've found that using Healing Touch is a perfect skill for ZF, doing the low level minotaurs outside Icetooth Cave. The recharge is 5s, so you can use it again everytime it recharges. Provided you dont need to renew another enchantment or cast some other spell, of course.

Try using Orison instead; without Divine Favor, Touch actually heals for less than Orison. You just have to remember to use it every 5 seconds or so as opposed to the 2 seconds recharge. Still, I'll admit I might end up with Touch as well just to make sure I don't use it early.

King's Spectre · Aug 29, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by majoho

Simply replace "Bonettis" with "Balthazar's Spirit" - yes it gives you a energy degen (since you will be having three maintained enhancements) but it works just fine.

Have you tried that? It seems like suicide to me. With barbs on you they can chew through your HP between attacks pretty quick. Of course I'm taking on 8-12 krin and a few of the fern thinggies at a pop.

De-agro with zealots: I usually fire it off once per cyclone axe cycle. Cast a breeze, fire cyclone as soon as bonetti's breaks, and hit bonetti's again. I can sometimes do breeze-cyclone-vigorous-triple-bonetti, but that sets them off once in awhile. Even if it does, it only takes them a couple seconds to wander back.

Zealots should edge out smite hex for damage, but smite hex is lower maintenance. I don't know if you can use them together. Smiting a hex while under zealot's may break agro.

Puddin Cheeks · Aug 29, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

I haven't seen anyone post this so I'm just going to throw my build out there.

Doylak
Disrupting Chop
Executioner's Strike
Triple Chop (E)
Cyclone Axe
Bonetti's Defense
Vigorous Spirit
Live Vicariously

The only trick here is you start from the luxon or kurzick outpost sides of the valley,

Talk to a Priest and get the blessings, 3 health regen and something like +25 health for free no used up enchantmets.

I have been killing everything in the valley except for the large groups of Ahh fan that fall from the lower level ceilings. I kill 8 Stone Kirin and 4 undergrowth at one time no problems. It is a blast to go off of these creatures.

Also I kill the Jade Brotherhood on my way to killing the Assassin Boss each time.

The only real difference in my build is carrying an interrupt for casters and not needing mending (The biggest help of all) to kill the casters just drag 2 or 3 melee foes in with you and target the caster using the melee's for energy boosts.

I have fallen in love with this farming and hopefully it will keep producing well for all of us.

The Yetis are even fun to take on with this build, I would say they are probably the toughest because they can blind you.

Hopefully this helps someone, this has been the easiest build I have used so far.

majoho · Aug 30, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by King's Spectre

Have you tried that? It seems like suicide to me. With barbs on you they can chew through your HP between attacks pretty quick. Of course I'm taking on 8-12 krin and a few of the fern thinggies at a pop.

I'm not sure what you mean!!!

And yes I tried it (otherwise I wouldn't have posted it).

It's does the exact same thing, you just don't have to use bonettis during the fight since their attacks will give you energy all the time.

majoho · Aug 30, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

I haven't seen anyone post this so I'm just going to throw my build out there.

Doylak
Disrupting Chop
Executioner's Strike
Triple Chop (E)
Cyclone Axe
Bonetti's Defense
Vigorous Spirit
Live Vicariously

That's the cookie-cutter build, the OP is an improvement on this.

Personally I have my own Warrior build, I mostly use W/Rt

Atticus Awesomus · Aug 30, 2006, 05:35 AM // 05:35

Hey Everyone,

I just wanted to thank you all for your suggestions. I did some tweaking and found a way to complete the run in about two minutes consistently. The build requires a little more dexterity and skimps slightly on healing, but it can be done. The modified build is similar to the originally posted build but with these changes.

Helm:
Use a helm of Axe Mastery with a superior Rune of Axe Mastery (+4 Axe Mastery total bonus)

Attribute points:
Axe Mastery: 13
Strength: 9
Smiting Prayers: 11
Healing: 8

Skills:

Cyclone Axe
Bonetti's Defense
Triple Chop(E)
Vigorous Spirit
Smite Hex
Zealots Fire
Live Vicariously
Mending

Cast Mending, regen energy, cast Live Vicariously. Once you've aggroed cast Zealots fire, Cyclone Axe, Bonetti's Defense, Triple Chop, and every now and then spam VS and Smite Hex. Smite Hex will do 65 damage + 23 damage (87 total). Every now and then spam VS which will do 23 damage thanks to Zealots Fire. Don't spam VS or Smite Hex more than every 4 seconds to avoid deaggroing due to Area of Effect. I would like to thank...

floppinghog for his suggestion of Smite Hex
King's Spectre and majoho for suggesting Zealots Fire

Funny that my Guildmates didn't want me to post this build, thanks to all your help I think it's better than before.

And of course, here's a video of me doing the run using the new skills, the codec is XviD. Let me know what you think.

http://rapidshare.de/files/31275155/...ngmei.avi.html

Puddin Cheeks · Aug 30, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

I guess the only thing i was really trying to help others with was the little secret of getting the blessings from the priest instead of having to use mending.

woftam · Aug 30, 2006, 11:50 AM // 11:50

thanks Atticus Awesomus,
new build works fine,
I even tryed it on vermin, no problems.

actually, it's very easy