Curse

LouAl · Mar 31, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

One that I use sometimes is this

Ineptitude (or Echo and sometimes even IW, I know you said no IW but it *can* be used well in the backlines as a last resort kind of thing)
Clumsiness
Empathy (or distortion)
Drain Enchant
Shatter Enchant (or Archane Echo)
Power Spike (or Leak or CoF or WW and sometimes Backfire in PvE)
Power Drain
Res

I know it is not 'pure' damage but if I had all damage skills I would either sit around while my energy regen'd or I would lay around while everyone else continued fighting (I would be dead in this instance).

Notes on the build:

The combo of Inept + Clumsy + Empathy is pretty phenomenal. If I put in WW I usually use it after loading up a warrior or ranger with the I+C+E combo and it can sometimes get them to react with an attack skill...

there are lots of optional skills, pick what you think will work best.
It is very energy heavy, even with both Drains. You will need to be careful and keep from tossing out random spells when you don't need them. If you bring WW DON'T spam it or you will be out of energy in a few seconds.

I usually run with
16 Illusion (sup rune + mask)
9-12 Domination (minor rune)
(Anything left over) Inspiration (minor rune)

fatboyslimerr · Mar 31, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

These are all good ideas but for PvP, mesmers usually underuse inspire skills e.g. inspired hex or inspired enchantment etc. For example say a monk ur trying to wack uses their elite - shield of regen or whatever it is u then get that elite and its just an added bonus if u have atrri points in that skill. Same goes for Hexes. As for the rest of the skills definitely power drain because its soo awesome, empathy, shatter delusion, ether feast, energy burn, power spike. This works good for PvE as well, although u might want to drop ether feast and energy burn in GvGs for power block and another interrupt. But mesmer is such a varied profession its upto what u like best this just works for me

mariano · Apr 05, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

anyone got any good ideas for a dmg dealing build with no IW also only using mesmer skills

Well, when I read "for a dmg dealing build with no IW" I understand a dmg dealing build that like it is for IW dealed damage is not conditioned by target's actions.

My view: there is not a build of that kind, nevertheless, there are some skills for this kind of damage:

illusion 8-9
domination 16
inspiration 9-10

A non conditioned means is:

1. Phantom Pain + 2. Shutter Delusions; particularly usefull as a final thrust. This combo works like warrior's "Eviscerate", dealing more damage.

Other a bit more conditioned means is:

1. Energy Surge; conditioned by target's energy
2. Energy Burn; conditioned by target's energy
3. Mind Wrack; try to trigger it by means of the other 4 skills.
4. Signet of Weariness; to try triggering Mind Wrack
5. Energy Tap; to try triggering Mind Wrack and to recover energy

A much more conditioned means may be:

1. Energy Surge
2. Empathy; conditioned to target's actions, removable
3. Backfire; conditioned to target's actions, removable
4. Wastrel's Worry; to save the investment on Empathy or Backfire, when target actions do not trigger them.

Hella Good · Apr 05, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

I think Wrack is about as high as you can get in the damage scale w/o using IW. Just make sure you time it so you hit Wrack and Burn damage together. Like say if you target hits 0 nrg, wait a tag and then Burn/Wrack it, so that you can at least get some of the Burn damage. But yea, you can use just about any form of e-drain with Wrack and trigger the damage (SoW, Tap, even Ether Lord

, and o'course Shackwrack

)