Curse

Lady Lorwinia · Apr 07, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

After plenty of testing in Random Arenas, I thought I would post this build of mine. It's had fantastic success in heavy damage dealing. In fact way more than a warrior could hope to pump out in a short time.

1. Healing Signet.
2. Apply poison.
3. Whirling defense.
4. Lightening reflexes.
5. Pure Strike.
6. Final Thrust.
7. Desperation Blow
8. Hundred Blades.

Notice I don't have rez here. You can sub it in for one of these skills.

And btw. In 15 Random arena battles, I did not lose a single time 1v1ing a warrior.

Battle Starts. I taunt the warrior

. Warrior charges at me. I throw on lightning reflexes and apply poison. I fire off Desperation, and hundred blades and repeat. Ater a few hits, warrior's health is halfway.

Warrior decides to put on gladiator's defense. I laugh and spam pure strike. Warrioris almost dead so he decides to run. He dies from poison or my blade.

I am called a hacker. With this build you can really polish something off quickly. Very quickly.

Somehow the healing kinda lacks. Healing sig is alright. but when you're battling on the front lines you need a bit more healing than heal sig. I have low points in WS so trolls is not an option. Anyone have any suggestions or comments fire away!

EDIT: Why this build is so special is that warriors just can't spam the 5 energy attacks. Maybe they can for one round and then they're screwed. But we rangers can do these heavy duty attacks non stop with expertise. Some R/W builds rely heavily on adrenaline

making it no different than a downgraded warrior.

Akhilleus · Apr 07, 2006, 04:37 AM // 04:37

the key being RA.
the reason you were so successful is that the average level of skill of a warrior in CA is virtually nil.
fight my sword warrior build, and you'd be a twitching, wimpering corpse, inside of about 3 and a half secconds.
after i wild-blow your pathetic reliance on stances, id proceed to reduce you by using distracting blow/savage slash on apply poison, then tearing you to shreds with flurry+riposite, as you kill yourself on my single all-purpose melee defense skill.
once i charge up galrath slash and final thrust ill hit you with hamstring, wait for flurry to wear off, then nail you for appx 83 damage, followed immidiatly by appx a 125-140 dmg attack (average i get on rangers), and when you try and run for your life (and trust me, like all stance-newbs i fight, you will) you'll descover (to your detriment) that running from a warrior who uses hamstring+battle-rage, is generally not that simple a task to accomplish.
GG, and have fun fighting mending newbs in CA, i pray for your sake you never come across someone who actually knows what they're doing...wouldnt want to scar you for life.

and i should mention, since my build can actually kill something other than warriors, by the time i focus on you, your support team memebers are most likely already dead.
TBH, you'd be better off running a bow ranger condition/cripple build.
far, far more useful to the team.

Valerius · Apr 07, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

lol 0wn3d :P

melee Rangers should stick to "Touch Rangers" or "Bunny Thumpers" imo

kaldak · Apr 07, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

Well, I'd say the reply was more excessively mean/snooty than it was deserving of a verb with numbers in it.

Necro touch and bunny thumper rangers are proven builds, and probably offer significant advantages over this build in that one steals life and the other incapacitates the foes, but that doesnt mean they're the only ranger melee builds that could possibly work. Always best to keep an open mind.

Any time you go R/W consider taking Tiger's Fury along. Constant faster attacks can be quite powerful.

NatalieD · Apr 07, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by kaldak

Well, I'd say the reply was more excessively mean/snooty than it was deserving of a verb with numbers in it.

I especially like the snooty arrogance coming from a guy who uses Flurry, Battle Rage, and Riposte.

Agreed on the Tiger's Fury. Increased attack speed is huge for a melee character. One of the actual advantages of R/W over W/* is that you can afford to use TF instead of Frenzy... but if you're using neither then something is very wrong.

Akhilleus · Apr 07, 2006, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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Originally Posted by NatalieD

I especially like the snooty arrogance coming from a guy who uses Flurry, Battle Rage, and Riposte.

Agreed on the Tiger's Fury. Increased attack speed is huge for a melee character. One of the actual advantages of R/W over W/* is that you can afford to use TF instead of Frenzy... but if you're using neither then something is very wrong.

sword warriors are designed as hunters, not spikers, like axe warriors. this is why you'll find many (not just me) using flurry. and only a true idiot will use attack skills while flurry is up. (though i should add...with the coming of ch2 and the addition of some more sword spike skills, swords too can one day be spikers...YAY!)
flurry no longer sucks. a month and a half ago, before they de-nerfed flurry id have agreed with you, now, not so much (it was reducing by as high as 40%, as opposed to 25%).
and battle-rage/bulls charge have their uses.
as for riposte...essential to c/a. any halfwit will go right for the enemy war, more than once ive actually had opposing party's wars actually kill themselves off of it.
in other forms of PvP its switched for plague touch.

audioaxes · Apr 07, 2006, 06:54 AM // 06:54

i really dont think R/W melee builds are any good except for hammer where you can tf irresistable constantly
swords and definitely axes dont have any top notch energy skills to convince me otherwise

Huntmaster · Apr 07, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

the key being RA.
the reason you were so successful is that the average level of skill of a warrior in CA is virtually nil.
blah blah blah useless bragging about a crappy sword warrior build blah blah blah
TBH, you'd be better off running a bow ranger condition/cripple build.
far, far more useful to the team.

Go back to the warrior forum. We don't care for your elitism here. Constructive critism, this is not.

VGJustice · Apr 07, 2006, 10:12 AM // 10:12

from one Sword Ranger to another, do NOT go for a max damage build. It's a bad idea. Much better to hang back a bit and throw in a nice Wild Blow to help your War who needs the Adreniline. Do take Savage Slash and Hamstring. Apply is good. And Hundred Blades is only really good for 2 things here: Spreading poison (which is rather unlikely in PvP) and building adreniline (which is pointless for a PvP Sword Ranger). Swap that elite for something else, something non defensive. Charge! could be an idea.

Speaking of not taking anything defensive, drop Whirling right now. It's not that good, even in RA. If you want defense, take Akhilleus's suggestion and swap it for Riposte, but only in RA. I'd also flat out drop Healing Signet. That's just asking to die with a Ranger. But, don't go and replace it with Troll Ungent, unless you're staying in RA. It's not your job to heal. That's the Monk's job. Your job is to be a pain in the butt. Just sneak in and cause a little confusion. Keep the Monk from running away or something. Just got to pick your targets wisely. Storm Chaser is a good idea, especially if you mix it with Hamstring. This will save your team some chasing time.

Just please for the love of Melandru don't go for damage. You will run into a Warrior with 16 swords and they will own you. Fast.

Lady Lorwinia · Apr 07, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akhilleus

the key being RA.
the reason you were so successful is that the average level of skill of a warrior in CA is virtually nil.
fight my sword warrior build, and you'd be a twitching, wimpering corpse, inside of about 3 and a half secconds.
after i wild-blow your pathetic reliance on stances, id proceed to reduce you by using distracting blow/savage slash on apply poison, then tearing you to shreds with flurry+riposite, as you kill yourself on my single all-purpose melee defense skill.
once i charge up galrath slash and final thrust ill hit you with hamstring, wait for flurry to wear off, then nail you for appx 83 damage, followed immidiatly by appx a 125-140 dmg attack (average i get on rangers), and when you try and run for your life (and trust me, like all stance-newbs i fight, you will) you'll descover (to your detriment) that running from a warrior who uses hamstring+battle-rage, is generally not that simple a task to accomplish.
GG, and have fun fighting mending newbs in CA, i pray for your sake you never come across someone who actually knows what they're doing...wouldnt want to scar you for life.

and i should mention, since my build can actually kill something other than warriors, by the time i focus on you, your support team memebers are most likely already dead.
TBH, you'd be better off running a bow ranger condition/cripple build.
far, far more useful to the team.

BS. Complete and utter BS. You have in fact the same attitude as a mending newb. I will list some reasons why you are wrong.

#1. I have played 240hrs in Pvp and never have I once seen one person use wild blow. Never.

#2: FFS this is Guild Wars. All you did was post a direct counter to my build. Instead of constructive critiscism, you just told me how you could reduce my body to a shriveled up corpse in three seconds.

Now how bout I post a counter to your build and see how you like it?

How bout I bring out my me/n yeah you like that now? Ineptitude/SS , clumsiness, Shadow of fear, burn out all your pathetic energy and then use mind wrack and other sweet things.

See? I can just as easily turn you into a shriveled up corpse. But guess what? That's not the point! Guildwars is a game where everything counters everything. So posting builds that counter mine are useless. Be constructive.

#3: BTW, in 240hrs of pvp I have never seen a warrior who even remotely knows what they are doing.

wheel · Apr 07, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Lady Lorwinia

BS. Complete and utter BS. You have in fact the same attitude as a mending newb. I will list some reasons why you are wrong.

#1. I have played 240hrs in Pvp and never have I once seen one person use wild blow. Never.

Perhaps you should play a gametype other than Random Arena where people aren't complete morons and don't know how to play well. Wild Blow is used in high level GvG moderately as well as in HoH in moderation. Also, 240 hours of PvP, which, from the sounds of it, since you did your "testing" of a build in Random Arena, stems from Random Arena, is not a lot of time. Evidence of this is the fact that you've never seen Wild Blow used.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lorwinia

#2: FFS this is Guild Wars. All you did was post a direct counter to my build. Instead of constructive critiscism, you just told me how you could reduce my body to a shriveled up corpse in three seconds.

Now how bout I post a counter to your build and see how you like it?

How bout I bring out my me/n yeah you like that now? Ineptitude/SS , clumsiness, Shadow of fear, burn out all your pathetic energy and then use mind wrack and other sweet things.

See? I can just as easily turn you into a shriveled up corpse. But guess what? That's not the point! Guildwars is a game where everything counters everything. So posting builds that counter mine are useless. Be constructive.

The build is bad because you do subpar damage compared to a Warrior Primary, and while you may be able to solo warriors, that's not the point. Your build will be strong against warriors by default, simply because you'll outlast them and eventually kill them. The only thing that this build can do effectively is stay alive and do meager damage. A smart team will simply let you be and not worry about killing you until everything else is dead. They'll kite your face off and you won't be doing any damage or sustaining any damage, making your build completely useless.

Contrary to your OP, it will not outdamage a primary warrior. Just because you have the energy to spam skills like Desperation Blow, doesn't mean that they're useful to use. The reason that your build is subpar is that it has poor damage compared to a primary warrior. Plus, it has no runspeed increaser. That alone means you will have terrible damage output versus a skilled opponent.

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Originally Posted by Lady Lorwinia

#3: BTW, in 240hrs of pvp I have never seen a warrior who even remotely knows what they are doing.

Well, like I said, play PvP outside of Random Arena and your eyes might be opened.

Lady Lorwinia · Apr 07, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

The 240 hrs does not mean Random arena alone -.-

I've spent more time in team arenas and GvG.

Thank you Wheel. I said this build was open to improvement and you gave me suggestions. I will not scrap this build but make some changes to it.

I just tested it in Team arenas. At the beginning I put heavy heavy pressure so he wasn't able to heal his teamates. I finished off the monk and two eles. And the warrior was a chalenge but I killed him too.

I've gone for about 10 rounds in TA and it works fine. I will need stormchaser though. And I will sub out whilring defense, and lightening reflexes for escape.

Then I will put in rez or TF.

Akhilleus · Apr 07, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

my point was that you advertised the build as anti-warrior.
the problem with CA is that most warriors who go there are either
A: testing builds they have little experience with, and are testing them in CA because they dont want to incurr a loss by testing them in GvG or tombs.
or B: warriors who think the primary job of a warrior is "tanking" *tear*.
dont get me wrong, R/Ws are as useful as hell, and can be quite the force to be reckoned with; i just wouldnt suggest them as warrior killers, because for that job another warrior, mesmer, or necro, would be far more inclined to get the job done.
you have the basic point down though; expertise+energy-using skills=good.
this is why most R/Ws are sword or hammer; to decrease the energy cost of the energy skills, and use them in a support role.
one of the ones that i see more often is a ranger build designed to chase down and condition people, using apply poison, sever artery, gash, savage slash, final thrust, hamstring, galrath, storm chaser (charge is better, but at that point you're putting skillpoints into 4 lineups, and you'll have to make sacrifices).

Mordakai · Apr 07, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Lady Lorwinia

#1. I have played 240hrs in Pvp and never have I once seen one person use wild blow. Never.

Then you've obviously never played against me...

I love Wild Blow, esp. in RA where no one expects it, and everyone expects their stance to be up forever!

jibikao · Apr 07, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

The best melee R/W is hammer with nonstop Irresistable Blow and Wild Blow. Ranger can spam those skills like no tomorrow. So freaking annoying when you have Whirling Defense up 'cause you get knocked down all the time and some of them only have one adrenline skill Heavy Blow for the knockdown. They also chase the target with Escape or combo with Tiger's Fury.