Curse

Ninetail Trickster · Apr 03, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47

'kay. Ten to one most people'll think I want to know what happens if you put up Winter and Conflagration at the same time. I don't... Winter over-rides the flame conversion. GuildWiki! xD

...what I DO want to know is why Greater Conflagration is an Elite skill, while Winter is not. They do essentially the same thing. Rangers have armor that defends against cold and fire both. So why the distinction?

SnipiousMax · Apr 03, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by Ninetail Trickster

'kay. Ten to one most people'll think I want to know what happens if you put up Winter and Conflagration at the same time. I don't... Winter over-rides the flame conversion. GuildWiki! xD

...what I DO want to know is why Greater Conflagration is an Elite skill, while Winter is not. They do essentially the same thing. Rangers have armor that defends against cold and fire both. So why the distinction?

GC changes physical damage to elemental damage, which Ranger's have natural resistance to. Winter merely changes all elemental damage to water. So really the ranger isn't getting as much benefit from it as he would from GC, except in the case the the Ranger is using Fur Armor. So GC gives you +30 - +45 armor vs physical. Where winter gives, at best, +15 armor vs elemental damage.

Ninetail Trickster · Apr 03, 2006, 06:22 AM // 06:22

OOH. I've been misreading the skill, then!
I'm sorry, I thought Winter converted physical damage, too... my mistake. Sorry. >_<

Wolydarg · Apr 03, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

There's gonna be a factions skills that only converts arrows to Fire and won't take up an elite slot.

Conflagration I think it's called.

Poison Ivy · Apr 04, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

^Simply pointless.

SnipiousMax · Apr 04, 2006, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

^Simply pointless.

I thought the same.

Evilsod · Apr 04, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Wolydarg

There's gonna be a factions skills that only converts arrows to Fire and won't take up an elite slot.

Conflagration I think it's called.

Surely thats just Kindle Arrows dumbed down?

Jenosavel · Apr 04, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Surely thats just Kindle Arrows dumbed down?

It's in spirit form rather than prep form. Can't really call that dumbed down; it's just useful in a different situation.

ArianeB · Apr 05, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Jenosavel

It's in spirit form rather than prep form. Can't really call that dumbed down; it's just useful in a different situation.

Like in GvG, Ranger launches Conflagration spirit, Mo/Me puts up stance Mantra of Flame, Arrow damage is reduced 45%, Mo/Me survives ranger spike.

Skuld · Apr 05, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

neutralises warrior physical armour bonus, neutralises orders, not the most exciting skill but effective in the right situation

Veron · Apr 05, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

The only differences between Conflagaration and Kindle Arrows off the of my head would be:

a) the enemy can forcibly remove Conflagaration.
b) you can use both Barrage and Conflagaration.
c) Conflagaration lasts longer (of course depends on your attributes, but I don't know why you'd use it and not have it last a fairly decent amount of time)

Skuld · Apr 06, 2006, 07:03 AM // 07:03

What makes it elite is the converting of physical, not the fire damage

denshuu · Apr 06, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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The only differences between Conflagaration and Kindle Arrows off the of my head would be:

a) the enemy can forcibly remove Conflagaration.
b) you can use both Barrage and Conflagaration.
c) Conflagaration lasts longer (of course depends on your attributes, but I don't know why you'd use it and not have it last a fairly decent amount of time)

Conflagration and Greater Conflagration don't deal any additional damage, they just convert physical damage to fire damage. Kindle Arrows adds fire damage on top of the physical damage from your arrows.

Jenosavel · Apr 06, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by denshuu

Conflagration and Greater Conflagration don't deal any additional damage, they just convert physical damage to fire damage. Kindle Arrows adds fire damage on top of the physical damage from your arrows.

Or rather, it should according to the skill description. In reality, however, it adds extra fire damage on top of also converting your arrow's physical damage to fire damage.

Richo · Apr 08, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

^Simply pointless.

thats not pointles

if there is coming a new non elite skill that makes youre arrow fire dmg i will gladly take it and then equip winter this will be perfect against any fire based armor creature in cantha

SnipiousMax · Apr 09, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

^You could just use an Icy mod for the same effect, and save yourself two skill slots.

Cherno · Apr 09, 2006, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

^You could just use an Icy mod for the same effect, and save yourself two skill slots.

For yourself sure, but if you want to help out the rest of the team, you need the slots.

I have gone back through fire islands before and the warriors didn't have an elemental weapon to take advantage of winter. So you bring g.conf + winter and now everyone is benefitting. Sure you have less slots, but that's rarely a problem for a ranger.

Saborath Gilgalad · Apr 10, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I use Greater Conflagration, and Winter on the last mission to take down Titan super Fast.

I Put down Greater Conflagration first (so all damage is Fire Damage) then I lay down winter afterwards, (so all Elemental Damage is Cold Dmg). This way all damge the party does is cold damage, and the titan's go down quick.
It works and Works Great.

YienTheYien · Apr 10, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Surely thats just Kindle Arrows dumbed down?

The Forgerunner FTW!