Curse

SnipiousMax · Apr 20, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Siren

Not if I'm guarding my Monks with my Mesmer. Warrior breaks my aggro bubble to go after the Monks or Necro or whatever, and uses Frenzy? That Warrior will pay dearly for that. When I see Frenzy go up, I zero in. I don't see Frenzy as an IAS at all. I see it as a big sign on their back saying "Kill me." And then I kill them. lol

An intellegent Warrior can get around that set back...where with flurry, there is nothing he can do about the downside to flurry. Most warriors (we'll say a good number of warriors) carry a cover stance besides.

Lady Lorwinia · Apr 20, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Lightning reflexes is not used because it lasts for about 9 seconds and has a recharge of 45 -.-

I don't like it at all. If you need to get away from heavy pressure just bring whirling. The recharge blows but only use it when you have to.

jpsantos20 · Apr 20, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I myself use TF over flurry and frenzy for my W/R. There is not much downside to this skill other than all of ur none attack skills are deactivated, which is ok at some points of the game. Frenzy u take double dmg and that is not soo good using against another warrior or for ettin farming. If my secondary is not a ranger i tend to use flurry just to help me build adrenaline, other than that I pick TF hands down.

Siren · Apr 21, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

You're talking about Wammos in Random Arenas. What's your point?

Warriors in balanced GvG teams. Oh, and HA. And TA.

What else you got as a rebuttal, Iskrah? I'll be happy to shoot it down.

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Originally Posted by Max

An intellegent Warrior can get around that set back...where with flurry, there is nothing he can do about the downside to flurry. Most warriors (we'll say a good number of warriors) carry a cover stance besides.

It's all about the timing.

Iskrah · Apr 21, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Siren

Warriors in balanced GvG teams. Oh, and HA. And TA.

What else you got as a rebuttal, Iskrah? I'll be happy to shoot it down.

Are you stuck in april 2005 when nobody knew what the hell went on? Seriously.
I mean come on, that discussion is not about how to beat the worst warriors, it's about how to beat the harder opponent we can face. A Warrior who doesn't cancel his stance when hit is just beyond horrible, and you need such a guy to prove your point.

So keep shooting it down (word? to your mother?),and keep flurrying away, it's cool with me. As long as I don't.

Siren · Apr 21, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

Are you stuck in april 2005 when nobody knew what the hell went on? Seriously.

Do you mean to tell me that GvG and HA not one week ago, in April of 2006 is actually April of 2005? Be sensible here.

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I mean come on, that discussion is not about how to beat the worst warriors,

The discussion is about Frenzy vs Flurry vs TF. My points regarding how I punish Frenzying characters are related to that discussion.

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it's about how to beat the harder opponent we can face. A Warrior who doesn't cancel his stance when hit is just beyond horrible, and you need such a guy to prove your point.

Do you honestly believe that I'm giving that Warrior the time to cancel his stance? Or maybe what I'm using on him isn't an actual hit? Or maybe, just maybe, I've been developing the timing necessary to take down Frenzy characters long before they could even hope to stance-switch?

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So keep shooting it down (word? to your mother?),and keep flurrying away, it's cool with me. As long as I don't.

Show me where I've been advocating using Flurry, apart from in a Choking Gas build.

And yes. I'll keep shooting down your replies, because they're asinine and myopic.

Iskrah · Apr 21, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

Dude seriously, calm down. It's a message board, about a videogame we all like... You hate Frenzy like others do Mending, it's fine, no need to make things personal basing your arguments on how you annihilate a Warrior in 2 sec. If you do, that's good for you ; I'm sure you'll give an explanation and experienced readers will give credit to you. I don't, but why should you care?

So what are you doing exactly? Using the Blacklight Necro and you have success on the highest grounds of PvP with clueless W/*?

Siren · Apr 21, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

Dude seriously, calm down. It's a message board, about a videogame we all like... You hate Frenzy like others do Mending, it's fine, no need to make things personal basing your arguments on how you annihilate a Warrior in 2 sec. If you do, that's good for you ; I'm sure you'll give an explanation and experienced readers will give credit to you. I don't, but why should you care?

Here's where you need to actually think about why I'm replying. lol. If I were pissed, or if I actually needed to "calm down," you'd know. Trust me. You'd know. My tone and writing style change dramatically when I'm pissed off.

Just think about things here for a moment. You had me annoyed, because you immediately assumed I was some dumb n00bish GW player who was trapped in 2005. You took a flippant tone with me and frankly, you deserved to get "blasted" for it.

Writing off my posts as nothing more than picking on Wammos in RA? Those April 2005 comments? Or telling me how I need a dumb Warrior target so I can prove my point?

I'm not offended by those comments, because I know they were the only "rebuttal" you could muster, because I know how most people on this messageboard work (as in, they don't work very well at all), but the comments were still uncalled for.

And the fact that you now believe I need to calm down? Like I'm so upset that I need some random internet stranger to help me keep in check? What is your thought process? lol. Your most recent reply is just as incoherent as your previous ones.

I hate Frenzy? No. Nowhere in my previous posts have I ever outright said or even implied that. All I've been saying is that Frenzy is not as dependable as most people think.

Or I'm making things personal, basing my arguments on how I destroy a Warrior in two seconds? How am I making anything personal here? Is there an "us" here? Is there a "we"? There is no "us." "We" don't exist.

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I'm sure you'll give an explanation and experienced readers will give credit to you.

I already did.

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Originally Posted by Siren earlier in the thread

The key to punishing Warriors (or any profession) for using Frenzy is to spike them into the ground. After enough players start spiking Frenzy, people will stop using it. Hell, people should already have been spiking Frenzy. I know I have, and after I did it a few times in a GvG, those Warriors sure as hell were a lot more careful about using it...if using it at all after that.

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I don't, but why should you care?

I don't care. That's the point. You couldn't put your money where your mouth was, got called on it, and you apparently can't concede that there's someone out there, albeit in the minority, from a guild in the low 200s on the guild ladder, who does not hold the same type of respect for Frenzy that nearly everyone in the game does, and more importantly, who has developed counters and the necessary timing to transform Frenzy into a liability.

Don't misconstrue my pressing the issue as me caring about you or your misguided opinions. Because I don't care about you.

I'm pressing the issue so you have absolutely no way to mischaracterize anything here. That's all.

EDIT: Blacklight Necro? You're kidding, right? That's not a build that'll deter Frenzy. lol. It's all DoT, especially SS. That build is only marginally better than Warrior's Bane. lol

And why would you automatically assume I'd play a N/Me build anyway? Is the build really considered so good that all WarHate is based on it? Or that all WarHate uses it?

Or did you just base your assumptions on my profession listing on the left-hand side? Who's to say that's even accurate? If one of my main goals in terms of combat is to play mind-games...for all you know I might have never even picked-up a Necro.

The Real Roy Keane · Apr 22, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by floplag

im curious, why not simple little Lightning Reflexes ?

Because it has a brutal 60 second recharge.

Valerius · Apr 22, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

Because it has a brutal 60 second recharge.

actually... it has a brutal 45 second recharge :P

TheOneMephisto · Apr 23, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Just to say, frenzy is best if used on experienced GOOD warriors. If the warrior isn't overextending, he can always rely on his monk's reflexes to give him time to stance-switch. If it's a multiple person spike (to take him down in 1 hit), well, most people can tell if a bunch of ele's raise their arms and look at them or a bunch of rangers start drawing bows and facing them. If any frenzying warrior sees that, which they should, it's quite easy to hit a number before the 2-sec cast or whatever-sec drawtime is through. If it's not a multi-person spike, it will most likely take more than 1 hit to take the warrior down, giving him time to stance-switch if he has good twitch-reflexes.

Another thing about frenzy vs flurry is that frenzy is the only viable IAS on backbreaker-crushing-irresistable hammerwars, and even on most hammer wars in general. Since hammer wars are energy intensive (with crushing and irresistable), don't get as much benefit from zealous, and most of them need an IAS to pull of a proper KD combo, since most KD combos are timed off of using an IAS.

Personally, I prefer frenzy, since frenzy gives you a much better base DPS than flurry, and with experience it is easy to get around the penalty.