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Mar 04, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2005
Guild: Chapter Twelve [XII]
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If you noticed that after the nerf, the majority of people complaining about griffons being nerfed were people that didn't know anything else. I stayed in Augory for about 20 minutes watching the conversations go on. Most were, I just started doing this a week or two ago. I just made me a 55hp Monk and now I don't know where to farm. And there were people still even asking to show them where Griffons were and how to farm them. Everyone was talking about Trolls and Hydras and the likes. All these places are pretty much well known and those they just start playing the game usually find there way to threads and such that have been posted. I can pretty much assume a lot of people buy gold online to get their 55hp Monk or whatever setup and them start doing nothing but farm. You can talk about gold, but do you honestly think that after someone gets enough for their 15k armor, they stop farming until they need something else? No, they want to have the rarest item in the game and it HAS to be GOLD. That is not the case. I'm positive ANet wouldn't have hit all these areas so bad if it wasn't for everyone using a cookie cutter build. There is absolutely no skill or even gameplay really involved in farming Griffons and Trolls. It's the same rinse and repeat process everytime. These is collector items with the same stats as anything else in the game. Just because you want that rare Crystalline sword doesn't mean you need to have it. FoW armor exists and yes it is quite pricey, but it doesn't mean you have to have it. Most of the 15k armor sets look better than Fissure anyway. ANet has balanced the game as well as it can so far. Greens were added to the game for a reason. Besides adding new content and items to keep old players interested, they also helped people that didn't have the funds or had just started playing obtain a nice weapon or offhand. ANet doesn't want the entire economy to be rich and have all these rare items. There isn't any fun left in the game once you have everything or can afford. You can have 20 million in ectos and whatever, but guess what, it's not going to give you anything but bragging rights. Look at everything a few months ago. Chaos and Fellblades and everything else were 500k+. No matter what you buy, it's always going to decrease in price at some time. People complain about prices being so ridiculous. Well guess what, most of that was started with the whole 55hp Monk deal. People had to have one and in return they had to invest in 100k worth of runes. Even now Monk runes are still over 10k. The fact is, ANet has nerfed the areas that don't involve any skill other than rinse and repeat. It's quite simple that the game was never intended to be that simple. There is tons of other areas that drop good items. People complain that they don't drop rares as often and whatever. Well guess what, you are actually having to think about your build and play the game. And you're not going out aggroing everything you can find and wiping it out in a minute or two. UW and FoW are still farmable, even solo. But you have to take a risk. You are paying 1k just to enter and have the chance to get ecto or shards and maybe that rare Chaos. Most runs take anywhere from 20+ minutes. Therefore, you aren't going to see tons of people farming there. Why? Because even with everything spoon fed to you, you still probably aren't going to be able to do it. It actually takes you skill and tactics as well as being extremely careful and alert at all times. I'm pretty sure Trolls and Hydras will soon get nerfed as well. ANet isn't going to continue to nerf skills that affect PVP players because everyone is exploiting the same skill and using a rinse and repeat process to farm an area over and over. So what are they going to do? They are going to add enchant strippers and everything else. It doesn't bother me one bit, because I'm not even farming those areas. I've completely fell in love with my Warrior and instead my 55hp Monk has been collecting dust for a long time. I can still go in UW and complete a run without really any problems. Of course I die once in awhile, because it only takes a mere second to fall in UW or FoW. And I don't even farm those anymore. You can say the people releasing builds and farm spots are causing the most damage, but they're not. ANet is well aware of where everyone is farming and how they are doing it. It's nothing new to them. Areas they can't have a rinse and repeat setup has still be up for awhile now. Of course, they have been nerfed in some way, but they are still there and farmable with plenty of other builds. Builds that involve healing and not just being invincible. You can say, "I really need gold." The fact and the truth is, no you don't. The only thing really thing that gold is really needed for is buying skills, materials, armor, and a few other things. Nobody needs 200k+ and nobody needs that rare Chaos or Crystalline. ANet added chest that spam randomly and require keys for a reason. Because all people were doing was running to the chests, picking up the items and repeating. The same rinse and repeat process that I have said over and over. I'm proud ANet is nerfing the game. When the game first came out, I had the same thought process as everyone else. I ain't denying it, I farmed UW and everything else way before it was ever announced. I had millions at one time and then what happened? I had no perspective on the game. I had nothing to do, nothing I wanted to buy and therefore, I quit the game. I gave everything I had away, ecto, gold and all that. I even randomly went around giving away everything to complete strangers because I had no purpose at all. Of course, there's FoW and that rare Crystalline and I could afford it. Well, to be honest I never wanted it. I bought my characters 15K armor and my Warrior a nice shield and Fellblade. That's all I ever bought and I could afford anything in the game I really wanted. In the end, I quit instead. Now, I've recently started playing again and the only thing I really care about is playing with my Warrior, testing new builds and other areas. Gold doesn't really matter to me at all, I have nothing for it. You will be surprised how much is out there and how easy it really is to get a nice rare or gold. But you aren't going to do it with a 55hp Monk and your protective spirit build. I've completed the game over 10 times and have deleted my characters at least twice. And there is still plenty to do and places to explore as well as plenty of places to farm. And the final conclusion is this: ANet never intended for you to absolutely do nothing and get rich in a month. They never intended you to buy gold on the web, setup a 55hp monk and call it a day. The more builds people come up with that don't invovled anything other than doing nothing but the same thing over and over without having to use any thought or tactics at all, the more they are going to slaughter the areas everyone continues to farm. The 55hp monk has been abused so much that the only choice left for ANet is to nerf the areas they are farming. They aren't going to nerf the skills and frustrate the PVP side that aren't really abusing the skills in the first place. While everyone expects a nerf for protective spirit and the likes, the only thing I expect is nerfs to the areas everyone is farming. You can say you want 15k armor and that's it, well if you play the game, you can get it. But no matter how many times people deny it, the fact is, you only get rich and that's that. In the end, all you have is bragging rights. And while you hold that max damage, OMFGUBERLEET Crystalline, the only thing you have really accomplished is wasting all that 400K+ gold you farmed with your rinse and repeat process. Then when you have everything you want and can afford anything, you're going to quit. If you wonder why prices are so high, look at the people who have them. The guys that are rich that have done nothing but farm day after day. And guess what, they're greedy and they want more gold. They don't want to sell it for 10-20K, they want that 100k or whatever they wasted on that Crystalline. There is areas all over the place that drop rares and plenty of gold. But you're not going to get that godly rare every 2 minutes like you are used to and you're not going to get 100k in a day or two. Think outside the box, don't search threads for a cookie cutter build that everyone in Guild Wars knows about. Come up to me and open trade and show me your 10 UBERSUPERSPENTAMILLIONFARMEDABILLION weapons and I'll just laugh. Because at one time I thought I had to have the absolute best, but then I realized I'm about the only one that ever sees it and it's only point is for my ego. You don't need that much gold and when ANet nerfs the area where only your 55hp monk knows how to do it, don't complain and say you lost your source of income. Because to be blunt, you really haven't lost anything but your rinse and repeat process. Every area that a 55hp monk can farm has been nerfed until it's near impossible. But guess what, it must not be that bad, because all those other characters and do it. They can't do it in two minutes and only have to make sure they protective spirit doesn't run out, but the fact is, they can do it. Farming isn't wrong, sometimes it's needed to get that 15k armor. But it's not impossible, you just have to put your 55hp monk away and start playing the game, not just clicking keys.
Take this how you want, but this is coming from a guy that thought he had to have it all, got rich and realized all he had what's a lot of gold and could afford everything, quit the game for two months, came back and learned how to play the game, get rich, and enjoy it without using a 55hp monk and complaining that ANet just nerfed the easy place on the planet where I could get a rare every two minutes with the click of a few keys. |
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Mar 04, 2006, 09:50 AM // 09:50
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Academy Page
Join Date: Apr 2005
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omg sry but your post is a little bit too long =)
"they nerfed the spots that were easy to farm" k so tell me is solo uw easy? i do NOT think so.. they also nerfed SOLO uw.. its not really possible anymore because of the position of the ghosts.. they changed it.. sry that i just read to like the 1/3 of your post.. but i think nerfing sux, though i DO know other spots to farm but i dont WANT to .. |
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Mar 04, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2005
Guild: Rohar's Roughnecks
Profession: R/E
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OMG save us from the wall of text...
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Mar 04, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11
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Academy Page
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Damn. There goes my supply of cool sheilds.
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Mar 04, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22
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Banned
Join Date: Jun 2005
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farm the underworld.
last night in one run i got 2 ectos and a black dye (aataxes only LOL!) |
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Mar 04, 2006, 04:34 PM // 16:34
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: [ECTO]
Profession: Mo/W
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ok...question of the day
why are 55 monks so BAD when warriors (and SINGLE TRAPPING RANGERS in troll cave) do the same? Why are duo-UW groups so BAD when ranger trapping groups do the same? i havent heard one decent answer to this question and ive asked it MANY times. |
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Mar 04, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Canada
Guild: LS
Profession: W/Mo
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Well I dont know if this has been mentioned yet but the strongbox is no longer there either
 And I still griffon farm outside of Dunes... not as many griffons but gets the same drops.Quote:
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Mar 04, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52
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Banned
Join Date: Nov 2005
Guild: Noobs Just Took Halls [WTF]
Profession: Mo/E
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they better NOT nerf the UW and FoW solo warrior spots though.. |
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Mar 04, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45
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Pre-Searing Cadet
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: IL
Profession: W/Mo
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This is the first time I've posted but I've read pretty much all there is to read on this board. I,ve seen everything from bad grammer to over use of abbreviations that only the "elite" poster could define leaving others to look it up in some key somewhere. English has gone astray. It is good to see someone structure paragraphs and sentences every once in a while, but then someone just has to fire the "OMG its too long". Makes your eyes hurt to actually have to read something? You actually have to formulate a response instead of just firing off the standard one line flame? Is it the telltail sign of a very short attention span?
I'll sum up the wall of words for you. Much of the attitudes about farming in the game mimmicks that of real life, greed. Stop and think about why someone would pay real hard earned cash for "gold" that doesn't even exist when supplied with ample opportunity to make it in game? They want to get as much as possible with as little effort as possible. They have placed a value on a commodity that isn't even real. "Oh look at my gold items", "Oh look at my green", that will be worthless in a week. Guild Wars is not about items or gold or even armor classes. Guild Wars is about global owning! One Guild trouncing another with well train characters that know how to do more than "farm". Will the victorious in Factions care about your 50k green whatever? Will they bother with a poser SF or UW farmer? Those who are not part of the "Elite" will not understand what it means to be elite because they're priorities are backwards. This is even more evident in they're real lives outside the game because of what is seen in the game. Spoiled, selfish, get it done at all cost, I'm welding a worthless mass of colored pixels miscreants that take they're frustration with life out on the game. PVE is training for PVP plain and simple. That is why there is a cap on lvling. Without the right skill, or combination of skills and attributes, that green you just had to have is even more worthless than it actually is. Any value placed in the color or stat of an item is pure perception and many views are scewed by what they see in real life and the true intent is completely overlooked. PVE is a ladder that leads to PVP which is another ladder that leads, hopefully, to global domination in a real sense. One guild, one faction, on top maintaining favor until they get knocked of the hill. That is the definition of Guild Wars and it is what sets it apart from the rest of those overcharging online simpletons for those who just love to grind away because they think thats all there is to it. What is 100k or 1000k worth truly? Just like the real thing, cold hard cash, it won't bring you joy.  I have read posts by people who truly have something to say and those who just need something to do. I like the post left by XzyluM. Long post are like a good steak . . . you take your time and savor it. Everybody else settles for Burger King.  Not two cents, but the whole dollar. 
Last edited by Darkschylde; Mar 04, 2006 at 07:04 PM // 19:04.. |
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Mar 04, 2006, 08:35 PM // 20:35
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jan 2006
Guild: Forgotten Myth
Profession: N/Me
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I agree that farming is needed for 15 k armor... but in the end its still just a bunch of pixles in the screen ( no real use of it since there r no other bonuses diffrent from droks )...
And i dont agree that PvE is just a training yard for PvP.. I like playing game where i explore the story line, lands and develope my char.. In PvP there is tactic but soon people start to do the same as farming ( i.e. IWAY - which got nerfed now thank god )... I played alot of Counter strike and Call of Duty at my time and i noticed that sooner or later is just presing buttons and training reflexes and madly clicking all around ( so happened in PvP mostly i meet just the cookies from net, and even that is funny ppl dont know how to use em  )...In almost every MORPG it all about showing off with your gear, it is and it will be untill all will get bored of it. When they get bored of it, maybe we will start playing game for fun ( to me beating the PvE enviroment without getting rushed and all that crap its great ).. Simply just enjoying the game threw missions and quests.. And after i got tired of it i go and play little PvP ( PvP to me is just the little ingame )... Now i deleted some chars and started all over with Me in PvE... and to me class is just far from PVP char only.. problem is that ppl dont realy try to explore the whole potential of game just because they do the same thing over and over and over again... ( because his friend said it works great ) I think it was good idea about customizing all the drops ( mentioned in previous posts somewhere ) so they couldnt be sold ( like armors )... or that the good items could be obtained in high lvl quest u get ( but they would all be customised and obtained only once ).. than ppl would the play game for enjoyment and not for profit.. ( well i played baldurs gate series (and other as well) and there were no ppl to sell items to and still I think its one of best frp of all time ).. Greens didnt realy saved nothing.. its good to find one but if u go for example 4 man oro farm or fa, sometimes it just takes too much time to obtain that green u might get ( it happened to me that after 4 full runs in SF i didnt get a single green drop  ) and thats one thing i dont like about group farming... for instance u get one guy who has no clue about the game and got all the good drops while others who kept him alive and did all the killing got zero, nada, zip....That why i prefer solo runs in places ppl dont farm or they r just passing threw them.. and for each area i try something different.. But afterall farming keeps this game so alive. I dont think there would be over 1 mio accounts in GW without it... So until we figure out how to get red of it we will just have to live with it... And thats why i still keep my Gothic and BG instalations on my computer at all time  ... I know that u dont all agree with me, but i realy dont think u r that cool in RL if u own 4 mio gold and all fow armors or leet crystaline swords and other pixles in your computer and sometimes not even completinh half of missions... Because players like these, ebay traders makes profit and takes lots of fun out of the game. Period. I hope that Factions will make farming a bit obsolate with new content so ppl will focus more on game play and so much on farming...
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Mar 04, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chicago
Profession: W/
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^ agree
Better rewards for completed quests. Like getting 1k gold or something. Above all, that's what I want to see in Factions. If ANet really wants to eliminate farming, which they never will, like someone said earlier, make more "non-boring" stuff for us PvE-ers to play! |
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Mar 04, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jan 2006
Guild: Forgotten Myth
Profession: N/Me
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In old days 1 gold coin had a great value
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Mar 04, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09
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Pre-Searing Cadet
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: IL
Profession: W/Mo
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As far as flash for armor and weapons well what are they linked with? Did you have to do some really difficult quest to get it or did you just farm griffins for hours to save enough to pay the exorbitant price being demaded? Whether it be hydras, griffins, or sand drakes none drop 100k a pop. You don't net more than 5k, at least I never have, so what is the point? Flash is fine but who sets the prices? Commonsense says if I have to invest x-number of hours with rinse and repeat farming then I'm not about to just give it away for one item just because no one else has it. By the time I get to flash it everybody has it and it cost a third the price paid and generally, who cares? In real terms it cost like a Modena but its really only worth a biggie size fry at best. I know for some I'm preaching to the choir and it is just my opinion. |
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Mar 04, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Aug 2005
Guild: Mythical Crusaders
Profession: W/Mo
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Personally, I find that farming is one of the funnest parts of the game. As long as bots are not used.
But I enjoy personally farming to build up my wealth, for me its treasure hunting and thats fun. In diablo 2 i was a heavy magic finder. And then when I build up a good wealth, I can build other characters and suit them up with nice gear, and go into battle arenas and what not. IMO, just playing the game with everything given to you, or everything cut off from you, is boring, because theres nothing to "accomplish" if that happens. Thats why i hate PVP, instant level 20 with all kinds of gear u customize from the start, sure there is something to accomplish, winning alot of battles through good builds etc. But some people dont want to be a build/stat master, and just want to have fun doing other things. And treasure hunting is alot of fun for me lol. |
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Mar 05, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2005
Guild: Chapter Twelve [XII]
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Mar 05, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...
Guild: Frank Ought To Monk [FotM]
Profession: W/
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Mar 05, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36
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The Greatest
Join Date: Feb 2006
Profession: W/
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Griff farm outside of destiny. Theres griffs out there, maybe 10-20
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Mar 05, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: a box
Guild: I hop around
Profession: W/D
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to bad for the players that farm griffins and dont know how to farm anything els.
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Mar 07, 2006, 09:25 AM // 09:25
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jan 2006
Guild: Forgotten Myth
Profession: N/Me
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I would only support farming ( OK it is fun to me also.. but farming is just to be used to improve game experiance later on, and not just for building your welth ) , if u would fight your enemies lets say 1 on 1.. mini PvP 1 on 1.. but here AI should be improved... like that i think ppl would participate PvP more to learn to play better so they would be able to farm later if they wanted too.
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Mar 07, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Uk,Wales
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