Curse

Juguard · Mar 07, 2006, 06:33 AM // 06:33

Ok, this SS necro was looking for a pro 55monk for UW. I consider myself pretty good one in UW.

He claimed he can tell how much I can aggro and said I suck, by just joining party with me. I was about to enter UW, asked him if he was ready, then he left party, and right away, was asking for a different pro 55monk, lol. Look at pick below.

that possible, some type of bug? Or some looser player?

bam23 · Mar 07, 2006, 06:34 AM // 06:34

He probably didn't think you brought together enough mobs for SS to have as much of an effect as possible. Still, it's a stupid thing to do.

Juguard · Mar 07, 2006, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by bam23

He probably didn't think you brought together enough mobs for SS to have as much of an effect as possible. Still, it's a stupid thing to do.

we havent even gone to UW, thats the thing. He was looking for 55, I agreed, he joined, was about to go to UW, and he just left, and asked for a different 55.

Tsunami Rain · Mar 07, 2006, 06:39 AM // 06:39

well at least you didnt waste your gold on a retard

Juguard · Mar 07, 2006, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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Originally Posted by Tsunami Rain

well at least you didnt waste your gold on a retard

true, lol, but very lame thing to do... wish I knew his reasons. heh.

sno · Mar 07, 2006, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Juguard

Ok, this SS necro was looking for a pro 55monk for UW. I consider myself pretty good one in UW.

He claimed he can tell how much I can aggro and said I suck, by just joining party with me. I was about to enter UW, asked him if he was ready, then he left party, and right away, was asking for a different pro 55monk, lol. Look at pick below.

that possible, some type of bug? Or some looser player?

There had to have been more to the conversation. Did you ask him anything? did he ask you anything? What's your secondary class? What kind of armor do you wear?

Juguard · Mar 07, 2006, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by sno

There had to have been more to the conversation. Did you ask him anything? did he ask you anything? What's your secondary class? What kind of armor do you wear?

nope, he joined for about 30 secs, then just left, and said that I dont aggro enough, after I asked him whats up.

N00bz0r · Mar 07, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

lol did this just happen like an hour ago? i think i was in toa, and you were like "wtf, how can you tell just by appearence?"

Haggard · Mar 07, 2006, 08:11 AM // 08:11

it does indeed seem strange

N00bz0r · Mar 07, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

speaking of lame people in toa...

a guildie and I agreed to get this guy a spider for 25k (12.5k each), and he shows us the money, says ok. so we go, and we get to the last 3 spirits and tell him to pay here. SO...we have a verbal battle for about 20 minutes, him telling us we are scammers and us trying to finish this thing, and so he goes and pulls the spirits to reaper. so i PM my guildie and told him to help me kill the spider.

so last spirit dies, 55 lays all enchants exept PS and HB on the spider and I cast ss-suffering-echo-desecrate-desecrate, spider dies.

guy goes " ahahahah now I know how to do it. I was afk 3/4 the time anyway..ahahah RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers!"

why are people such jerks these days?

VGJustice · Mar 07, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

These days? Dude, people have been jerks since day one.

That being said, I have new policy regarding idiots. Appologize to good players, then leave. I can always find another group.

Actually, I put my estimates at 35% Lamers and Jerks, 40% Competent Good Players and 25% Left My Game On While I Went To Work/School for the Guild Wars community.

Caged Fury · Mar 07, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

You can't tell how much aggro a 55 monk can do by just party up. However, you can tell how much of a jerk someone is by their actions.

sno · Mar 07, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Juguard

nope, he joined for about 30 secs, then just left, and said that I dont aggro enough, after I asked him whats up.

You avoided some of the key questions.

A: what's your secondary class? If you're not mo/w, then he was quite correct in thinking you can't aggro very big, because only a mo/w can do so efficiently.
B: what kind of armor do you wear? If you're not wearing full tatoos, then you're probably new at farming UW, and thus, probably don't aggro big groups.

Not to play devils advocate, but I've spent a good deal of time in ToA searching for PuG monks and necros. I can generally tell by simple observation or a couple questions how good someone will be, and will do my best to save myself the hassle of going down with someone who will likely waste my time.

Weeping Wind · Mar 07, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Over 1 million+ people have brought and play the game. Not all of these people are going to act the way you would expect someone to act. You are always going to meet someone that says something that would be totally normal to them but means absoluetly nuthing to you. You will always meet people you wont like in life

Its one of those things. People are weird :P

Weeping

cerb · Mar 07, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

I'll agree with Sno. Generally, when I see a monk going in with Wanderer's Judge's, or not full tatoo's, I can tell he's not very good, even if I haven't seen him play. I can also tell by the skillset, if a monk uses Watchful Spirit, pings his energy or ask for BR, I know he isn't going to be too good. Hell, those who advertise themselves as "Exp" are generally the worse.

Profession means a lot too. Mo/Me is just stupid, because you cannot possibly handle huge aggros. I have yet to see a Mo/Me take on as little as 9 smites.

If we are in UW tho, I'm not going to be an asshole and quit though. I'll play through the run and do my best, but won't go on a second run with him.

Some people are really just stupid though. I've had a nec refuse to play with me because I wasn't wearing tatoos (had FoW ascestic on :P)

Batou of Nine · Mar 07, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

AH... streamline thinking... isnt it wonderous?

Many secondaries can work as 55 monk tank. And to say that the Mo/W is the ONLY setup that can take on larger aggros is just ignorance. As a Mo/Me who uses all tattoos EXCEPT pants, i can take on 8+ smites up to 10 sometimes. I go very often with a guildy, and have 3 ppl on my friends list that i had randomly met, who had been so impressed, that they asked to remain a contact for UW farming.

And im sorry, but to say "No offense, but i can tell if they are good by what they wear..." is just plain BS. What happened to "do not judge a book by its cover" ?? This debate just comes back to the classic Guild Wars debate over what is better:: Skill or Equipment? If you saw me, and thought "oh, he sucks, he doesnt have full tattoos..." i would scoff at you for such a thing. 90% of the friends i have that farm also dont have full tattoos or are only Mo/W... In fact, one friend of mine has farmed and ONLY farmed for all his GW life since release with a 55 monk. He is not a Mo/W, and he does not have full tattoos. And he is incredibly good at farming both as the 55 Monk tank or SS necro.

To the OP::
Ignore these people who say you can tell whether or not a person is "good" by what they look like. It is a sad thing if a person does that. It is purely based on your skill, knowledge and experience in the game that determines how "good" you are at a particular thing, like 55 monk tanking.

cerb · Mar 07, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

AH... streamline thinking... isnt it wonderous?

Many secondaries can work as 55 monk tank. And to say that the Mo/W is the ONLY setup that can take on larger aggros is just ignorance. As a Mo/Me who uses all tattoos EXCEPT pants, i can take on 8+ smites up to 10 sometimes. I go very often with a guildy, and have 3 ppl on my friends list that i had randomly met, who had been so impressed, that they asked to remain a contact for UW farming.

And im sorry, but to say "No offense, but i can tell if they are good by what they wear..." is just plain BS. What happened to "do not judge a book by its cover" ?? This debate just comes back to the classic Guild Wars debate over what is better:: Skill or Equipment? If you saw me, and thought "oh, he sucks, he doesnt have full tattoos..." i would scoff at you for such a thing. 90% of the friends i have that farm also dont have full tattoos or are only Mo/W... In fact, one friend of mine has farmed and ONLY farmed for all his GW life since release with a 55 monk. He is not a Mo/W, and he does not have full tattoos. And he is incredibly good at farming both as the 55 Monk tank or SS necro.

To the OP::
Ignore these people who say you can tell whether or not a person is "good" by what they look like. It is a sad thing if a person does that. It is purely based on your skill, knowledge and experience in the game that determines how "good" you are at a particular thing, like 55 monk tanking.

We have different opinions on "good". To me, a good monk can take 14+ smites (using a PS build), and dies very rarely. This cannot be done with a Mo/Me. Seriously, I see no advantage in going /Me rather than /W. Bonettis can fill up your mana in 2sec and allows you to tank so much more than you could with /Me.

sno · Mar 07, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

AH... streamline thinking... isnt it wonderous?

Many secondaries can work as 55 monk tank. And to say that the Mo/W is the ONLY setup that can take on larger aggros is just ignorance. As a Mo/Me who uses all tattoos EXCEPT pants, i can take on 8+ smites up to 10 sometimes. I go very often with a guildy, and have 3 ppl on my friends list that i had randomly met, who had been so impressed, that they asked to remain a contact for UW farming.

And im sorry, but to say "No offense, but i can tell if they are good by what they wear..." is just plain BS. What happened to "do not judge a book by its cover" ?? This debate just comes back to the classic Guild Wars debate over what is better:: Skill or Equipment? If you saw me, and thought "oh, he sucks, he doesnt have full tattoos..." i would scoff at you for such a thing. 90% of the friends i have that farm also dont have full tattoos or are only Mo/W... In fact, one friend of mine has farmed and ONLY farmed for all his GW life since release with a 55 monk. He is not a Mo/W, and he does not have full tattoos. And he is incredibly good at farming both as the 55 Monk tank or SS necro.

To the OP::
Ignore these people who say you can tell whether or not a person is "good" by what they look like. It is a sad thing if a person does that. It is purely based on your skill, knowledge and experience in the game that determines how "good" you are at a particular thing, like 55 monk tanking.

It's not streamline thinking, I've thought of and experiemented with many different builds in UW, and found from experience that mo/w works the best. As cerb said, we clearly have different definitions of the word "good" when it comes to UW tanking. I know that it takes a great deal of experience in UW to ever get good at it, and if someone is going to be spending that much time down there, he will probably invest in the best equipment somewhere down the line. More armor vs anything means absolutely nothing to a 55hp monk, so the only viable option for armor would be ascetic. As to your "skill or equipment" statement, I can't possibly know a persons skill without seeing him play, but I will make my best judgement based on his equipment. As I said, there is no reason (aside from look) to use anything but ascetic armor when using a 55hp build. There are many reasons I said that mo/w is superior to any other class, most of which involve bonettis (a skill underrated by many people.) Bonettis is absolutely priceless in UW, and is essential for efficient AND reliable runs. Bonettis has saved my life in many instances (in which I lagged, or in some other way messed up) not to mention the ability to tank 16 smites at once.

AidenDarkangel · Mar 07, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

You don't have to play with a person to know their skill-level, asking a few simple questions will get you the answers instead of waiting 5-10 minutes to figure it out, and by then it's already too late, and you've wasted your gold.

So, you won't group with people because they wear anything other than ascetics, 'cause it's a sign of 'no0bishness'? I guess I'm just good or something, cus I use some sort of ascalon armor(don't recall name), without the energy bonus, and I take on 14-18 smites. I'll try to get a screen-shot, but it's very hard to stay alive, let alone try to get a screen-shot with all the lag caused by that many smites.

Also, to other people saying Mo/Me or whatever is just as good a tank as Mo/W, you're terribly mistaken, I'd like to see you tank more than 8~ smites on a Mo/Me, let alone 14-18. (Not saying it can't be done, just saying I've never seen it done, have seen many claims, and no proof).

sno · Mar 07, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by AidenDarkangel

You don't have to play with a person to know their skill-level, asking a few simple questions will get you the answers instead of waiting 5-10 minutes to figure it out, and by then it's already too late, and you've wasted your gold.

that was my original point

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So, you won't group with people because they wear anything other than ascetics, 'cause it's a sign of 'no0bishness'? I guess I'm just good or something, cus I use some sort of ascalon armor(don't recall name), without the energy bonus, and I take on 14-18 smites. I'll try to get a screen-shot, but it's very hard to stay alive, let alone try to get a screen-shot with all the lag caused by that many smites.

You're definitely the exception, not the rule. You've obviously spent a great deal of time in UW, so you surely have enough money to afford ascetic armor of some sort (usually droks, since you can use that for other monking as well.) It's not that having no energy bonus makes it harder to survive big groups (since energy management depends on you getting hit,) it just slows things down a bit, and may make things more difficult when you're fighting smaller groups (or dryders.) Having the extra energy at the start allows me to cast my enchants and then aggro immediately, without having to wait for any sort of recharge. Since theres no reason not to, most monks will get ascetic at some point.

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Also, to other people saying Mo/Me or whatever is just as good a tank as Mo/W, you're terribly mistaken, I'd like to see you tank more than 8~ smites on a Mo/Me, let alone 14-18. (Not saying it can't be done, just saying I've never seen it done, have seen many claims, and no proof).

I've never seen more than 16 done with a prot spirit build (with 55hp, no DP or AotL,) so if you say you can take 18, have your necro take a screenshot, as the lag from taking your own screenshot will no doubt kill you. I've experimented with guardian instead of blessed aura, which when combined with bonettis/breeze/ps in a specific pattern could allow you to tank over 20 without dp, but I didn't think the cost was worth the benefit.