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De One · Feb 21, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

thx I think ima stick with sword on pve but in pvp ill witch to an axe

wheel · Feb 22, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Both axes and swords have very strong spiking capabilities. In two warrior builds, I prefer to have a Charge! sword warrior and an axe warrior, because having the ability to Final Thrust is just sickening.

De One · Feb 22, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by wheel

Both axes and swords have very strong spiking capabilities. In two warrior builds, I prefer to have a Charge! sword warrior and an axe warrior, because having the ability to Final Thrust is just sickening.

ummm I dont think charge is a good idea. It's a waste of elite skill when theres skills like eviscerate(axe) and hundred blades(sword) unless your doing a run. If you use charge for the extra speed when your fightin then I would suggest sprint.

SziP · Feb 22, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Energy Cost
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Recharge
Evicerate<Hundred Blades
Damage
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Condition Inflictor(how do u spell it)
Evicerate>Hundred Blades

Overall my personal favorite is Axe, i think that evicerate as a elite based on andrenaline is a pretty good skill. If u are farming you use cyclone axe and a elite skill. This is just my persoanl opinion.

Arey-JT · Feb 22, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

It's all about what you get you get comfortable too. or what YOU FIND is the best, people cant tell you what is the best cause then you wont understand and wont have much control of any build but anyways this is how i feel,

if you want to have more attack skills to chose from go with axe cause it's all adrenaline
if you want to have a little bit more control go with sword
if you want to do more damage go with AXE
if you want to have faster attack speed go with sword
if you want to be a W/Me and use Illusionary Weaponry use Ogre Knife
^^ SERIOUSLY THE KNIFE IS GOOD HERES WHY!!

Illusionary Weaponry Effects ---
1) Cant gain Adrenaline (sucks A-S-S)
2) with 12 illusion, you always do 36 damage, no matter what the sword,Axe,Wand,Knife says you will do 36 dmg everytime all the time
3) This is the best feature to it because you can hit them if you blind. i say thats a pretty powerful spell.

So end this post now that have all the information you need. i dont see it going anywhere.

Puppets · Feb 22, 2006, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by SziP

Energy Cost
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Recharge
Evicerate<Hundred Blades
Damage
Evicerate>Hundred Blades
Condition Inflictor(how do u spell it)
Evicerate>Hundred Blades

Overall my personal favorite is Axe, i think that evicerate as a elite based on andrenaline is a pretty good skill. If u are farming you use cyclone axe and a elite skill. This is just my persoanl opinion.

You're missing the whole point of hundred blades, it isn't an attack that was made to do craploads of damage. It's a nice skill for recharging adrendaline, then smacking the monster with the hardest sword hitting skills ( galrath, final thrust) available.

Murder In China · Feb 22, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

Final thrust is all the spike you'll ever need on a Sword warrior.

SziP · Feb 22, 2006, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Its just my point of view, and i just use something thats in my advantage. In this case its axe(for me), of course there are ups and downs in using a axe, but dont forget its the same for sword. I use swords too, you can inflict incredible damage with final thrust.

Yukito Kunisaki · Feb 22, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

As far as efficiency goes, Axe is king for the spike...

I don't see how people can work with the Final Thrust conditions... [vs. good monks I mean]

Eviscerate + Exe. Strike does about 60% dmg on an unprepared, unenchanted foe... If you save your adrenaline for it, you can outright kill most people before they know what's going on...

Swords 'standard' striking involves, Sever, Gash, Galrath/Savage Slash, Final Thrust. That's a LOT of skill slots for dmg/interruption. Axe is Evis, Exe, Disrupting chop, that's all ya need... ^_^ [I like Swift Chop for laughs]

HAmmers, would be my 2nd favorite... For easy reason: KD owns anything pvp... almost...

I remade my warrior to try out a different type of blood sword user, and now I regret it, but I changed my name ^_^

vallu0 · Feb 24, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

i had same problem , but i didn't care i just bought executioner's helm and 1 axe and now i use sword and axe same time

Jancid Brennberg · Feb 24, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15

As a Warrior from the start away (my first character), i have tried both axe & sword. I admit leaving the tutorial with a sword, but soon switched to the axe. The axe provided me with a more adaptable skill setup, whilst maintaining a superior damage output. Even though bleeding & cripple are massively tactical conditions, the mere damage and the deep wound of the axe simply overcome this.

Nowadays, i am doing an in-depth comparison, by partying with lower level guildie-chars. I switch from axe (Razorstone & Victos Axe, direct comparison) to sword (Grognars Blade whilst not in fight, Victos Blade in fight for the extra damage and the selfheal). My conclusion by now is, that axe outdamages sword and can adapt more easy to any situation. Sword, on the other hand, means more team orientated play.

Disrupting Chop IS nice, i LOVE it. But Savage Slash / Distracting Blow together let you interrupt also, which is in okay - two interrupts should be nice & sufficient. Crippling a rushing warrior boss mob, which harasses your soft targets, can be life saving. Your monks and such will thank you for taking pressure of them. Necros and Mesmers will appreciate your degen from beleeding, too. If your target CAN indeed bleed, that is.

In comparison of the two onehanded weapons, axe clearly remains my favourite. It has the most damage and, on top, can interrupt, deep wound, cripple and weaken, furthermore, PBAoE damage is nearly standard on this one. This is any warrior control and damage dealing. The sword can cripple, bleed and deep wound, PBAoE damage is elite only. This is less damage and less warrior control, but it's tactical usage.

My problem, as a result:
Most W/Mo (you know which i mean) don't now, what they are wielding. Most do not know, how to use their gear. Most do not fight tactical. Thus, the sword is a "Oh oh, crap." sign for me, when in a PUG or RA. If it's an W/Mo, i count this match 3 vs 4 anyway.

PS I will try the hammer these days, i just bought Malinons Malign Hammer for 3k. Let's see, if this KD/AS build is fun and wether it's PvE'able.

See you.

PPS vallu0, you are non-PG. Using two weapons sucks.

Battle Torn · Feb 27, 2006, 10:07 AM // 10:07

Quote:

My problem, as a result:
Most W/Mo (you know which i mean) don't now, what they are wielding. Most do not know, how to use their gear. Most do not fight tactical. Thus, the sword is a "Oh oh, crap." sign for me, when in a PUG or RA. If it's an W/Mo, i count this match 3 vs 4 anyway.

Let me get this straight... your own experience with swords means they are crap and everyonelse using them is a nOOb?....Jesus, just when I thought you knew what you were talking about you have to go and ruin it. There is no clearer sign of a nOOb that someone being racist agains a particular class + build and who cant seem to realize its the people playing the game that are good/bad and not the build. You have to learn how to evaluate the person... not the build perhaps this is where you are going wrong?

You have to keep yourself open to the fact that there are more experienced people in the game that you who may feel the same about axe warriors, but probably not because (being experienced) they realize this is a personal preference and you cant possibly know for sure their attributes, tactics or skills and therefore cant possibly know if its better or worse than axe...just in your case you have found axe to be better (so far). By the way MOST inexperienced warriors will think your a nOOb if you use a hammer

enjoy

fact is that all weapons are down to personal experience and you have to leave yourself open to the fact that others may simply be using them better than you did and no matter how experienced. We all still have something to learn (it is a strong possibility that experienced warriors have tried all weapons...so ask yourself why does a 'nOOb' 4.5mil exp W/Mo use a sword if they are rubbish?) Both axes and swords have thieir good points and used correctly offer a warrior the choice of some pretty good combos.

Byron · Feb 27, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Battle Torn

fact is that all weapons are down to personal experience and you have to leave yourself open to the fact that others may simply be using them better than you did and no matter how experienced.

Couldnt agree more; it is all about experience. The best guilds in the world use all three types (including swords), depending on their build. So here's the balance:

Sword = reliable medium damage
Axe = unreliable big damage
Hammer = slow big damage

A sword attack in pvp versus your typical sixty armor caster will get you at least 25 damage every time, but you wont get higher than 80 in one hit. Axes can put a critical over 100 damage, but sometimes you'll hit for a negligible 10 damage. Hammers hit for at least 40 every time, but you lose significant attack speed.

It just so happens that sword W/Mo are more often new to pvp. Its a pretty sound conclusion that what worked in pve should work in pvp, right? Everyone has a learning curve...