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wahoyaho · Mar 22, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

On guildwiki it says swords have a better average damage output, but in PvP observers say axes do @@

Savio · Mar 22, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Since axes have a higher max damage, they get higher critical hits than axes do. That puts axes at a slightly higher DPS. Guildwiki probably means average damage without including criticals.

Eldin · Mar 22, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

IMO, axes are the mighty weapons, but with unstable damage structure (one moment you hit a 6, the next you hit a 20, and this is not taking criticals into account). Swords have a slight cutback in damage range, but are a bit more stable.

If it's for PvE, it's mainly a matter of personal choice. I stuck with an axe for some time, but to my dismay, griffon farming was nerfed a day before my warrior reached the desert!! Also, other griffon locations have terrible drops. I later crossed over to swords for the wide variety of [frequently riposte-related] farming builds.

Definitely choose whichever you want. If you want to try your luck at something fairly unpopular (at least from what I've seen), go hammer. If you want to be a drunken lumberjack and just whack away at everything like a berseker, go axe. If you want to be kind of a well-rounded warrior, go sword.

JR · Mar 22, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Axes have a slightly better damage average (inc. crits), Swords free up your elite slot for a utility skill like "Charge!" or Bull's Charge... etc.

It really comes down to the build.

XBC · Mar 22, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

I think that swords have better average DPS. However, axes have higher straight damage skills, and a higher maximum damage.

Yukito Kunisaki · Mar 22, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

If you want to kill via dps, then a sword is your weapon.
If you want to kill via shutdown *knockdown*, then go hammer. Monks hate hammers.
If you want to do more damage than anyone else in 3 swings, go axe. Chopping off 70% hp or more with 3 crits [hey, it happens more often than not], I love my axe...

Also, for pvp, hammer and swords are usually as good as an axe, but in pve, where I enjoy playing just as much as pvp, axe has no protection. Nobody is safe from a deepwound... don't know why you can deepwound an undead when you can't make them bleed...

Sk23Von · Mar 22, 2006, 05:15 AM // 05:15

all choices are good. Hammer is less common because it doesnt have a sheild to go with it, but it can be very scary in the right hands. Sword has all kinds of utility and Damage over Time, as well as the single most powerful spike skill (In terms of the number that pops up) in Final Thrust. Axe has a strong array of spike skills, as well as Cyclone Axe which really should be elite. It also has the most spammable spike skill in Cleave.

"don't know why you can deepwound an undead when you can't make them bleed"

Because even undead take notice when a chunk of them goes missing.

Yukito Kunisaki · Mar 22, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by Sk23Von

all choices are good. Hammer is less common because it doesnt have a sheild to go with it, but it can be very scary in the right hands. Sword has all kinds of utility and Damage over Time, as well as the single most powerful spike skill (In terms of the number that pops up) in Final Thrust. Axe has a strong array of spike skills, as well as Cyclone Axe which really should be elite. It also has the most spammable spike skill in Cleave.

"don't know why you can deepwound an undead when you can't make them bleed"

Because even undead take notice when a chunk of them goes missing.

And yet ghosts can be deepwounded too!

Don Zardeone · Mar 22, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Ghosts seem to be made up out of plasma. You can probably separate a chucnk of plasma from a bigger chunk of plasma. So in a way, you can deepwound any ghost!

Swords have the stable damage but axes seem to have the better damageskills. This stuff can be argued over for ages though.

Cecil The Magician · Mar 22, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

It depends on what you want to accomplish and personal preference.

Axe skills are used mostly as high damage skills.
Swords have many condition causing skills.
Hammers have alot of knock-down and interuption skills.

As for DPS Guru has a guide on this Right Here

I prefer hammers as although they may be slower they have an very high damage range.

Son of Urza · Mar 22, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18

If the axe user has an elite (Eviscerate), he can have a HUGE dmg spike. Evis+Exe Strike is the hardest-hitting 1-2 punch warriors have. However, without an elite, a sword user can do more damage with Galrath Slash and Final Thrust. However, if you can get permanent IAS through Tiger's Fury, and one of the knockdown elites, hammers will win hands down. With 35 maximum damage, they can get even better crits than axes, and since they are slower they gain more from IAS then axes do. Plus, knockdown is simply sweet.

lzlz · Mar 22, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

keep the knowledge for myself

Effigy · Mar 22, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

It really depends which is better, as others have said. On average, the damage over time between sword and axe is pretty even. However, in PvP axe will generally do more damage, even without taking skills into account. Axe has higher max damage, and you automatically do critical hits on running targets. Since your targets will be running away a lot of the time in PvP, you will be hitting 28 (max dmg) more often than 6 (min damage), hence you will have more DPS than with sword. However, when you're targets aren't running away (PvE), they are pretty much even.

As someone else stated, sword is a better choice if you aren't using an elite attack, since you can use Final Thrust to spike. However, axe has more spike attack skills, like Eviscerate and Executioner's Strike.

In PvE, sword has the benefit of Riposte and Deadly Riposte, but axe has a non-elite AoE attack (Cyclone Axe) while sword does not. So it really depends on your build which one is a better choice.

Lando Griffen · Mar 23, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32

I'm assuming the a/w will make a good axe warrior with the addition of increased criticals and energy instead of strength

Poison Ivy · Mar 23, 2006, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by wahoyaho

On guildwiki it says swords have a better average damage output, but in PvP observers say axes do @@

Would you trust people who look at the DMG of weapons, or the people who are slashing and hacking people with them ^.^.

Siliconwafer · Mar 23, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Effigy

Axe has higher max damage, and you automatically do critical hits on running targets. Since your targets will be running away a lot of the time in PvP, you will be hitting 28 (max dmg) more often than 6 (min damage), hence you will have more DPS than with sword.

Just a minor clarification, crits hit max damage at 4 attribute levels above what you have, or something. An axe crit is ~53 if you have a perfect axe.

If you want to see numbers, check out Ensign's calculators on Guru.

It comes down to the build, and what skills you need to accomplish what you're trying to do. The Axe vs. Sword debate in terms of raw DPS is pretty insignificant now because the only appreciable difference comes down to criticals.

Savio · Mar 23, 2006, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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Originally Posted by Son of Urza

However, without an elite, a sword user can do more damage with Galrath Slash and Final Thrust.

Severy Artery, Gash, Final Thrust. Deep Wound is so sexy.

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Originally Posted by lzlz

Hints: Try testing a pvp char with the best mod sword/axe in Isle of the Nameless. You will see

Axe wins.

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Originally Posted by Lando Griffen

I'm assuming the a/w will make a good axe warrior with the addition of increased criticals and energy instead of strength

No, not really, because they're missing out on having 16 Axe Mastery instead of 12, and axe warriors mainly use Adrenaline.

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Originally Posted by Siliconwafer

Just a minor clarification, crits hit max damage at 4 attribute levels above what you have, or something. An axe crit is ~53 if you have a perfect axe.

It's 63 with a Damage +15% axe, customized, 16 AM, vs 60 AL.

The main thing about axes is that they have the Eviscerate-Executioner's Strike, the best 1-2 punch you can have on a Warrior. Without that combo they don't do better than Sever-Gash-Final. Hammers are slower than the others but get to knocklock.

Lando Griffen · Mar 23, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

/doh I don't know what I was thinking :P

thowix2 · Mar 24, 2006, 12:28 AM // 00:28

i dunno i like axe better with my war... Evi+Axe Rake+Executioners is my Combo.. to prevent kiting... since im a shock war ^^

conches · Mar 24, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

1. swords better dmg range axe better critial max=balanced
2.swords attack faster (stfu i tested it

) axes more dmg (not taking minimals and criticals into consideration)= balanced
3.swords can bleed axes cannot=swords win
4. swords have the ripostes axes do not= swords win
5. for axe to be good u need exe-evic combo which takes ur elite away swords dont need an elite unlees u like HB= swords win
6. in PvP a sword warrior sometimes get kicked >_< axe warriors are kept for thier dmg superiority= axes win

CONCLUSION- Swords-3 Axes-1
Winner?- Niether because its jsut prefrence

if ur lucky with criticals axxes will own if u like to block and have balance swords win
i use a sword..