Curse

Hanego Ategeh · Mar 10, 2006, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Went pure ranger on this.

Died once first round because I got (edit - apparently the adjective form of rooster is filtered) overconfident, then killed Queen.

Killed Queen next time pretty quickly. No staff either time, but I was really just seeing how easy this was, I already have the staff.

Don't think it matters really what you use for healing. I probably would have been fine w/o Troll Unguent.

Very easy. Kudos to those who played around with this enough to see how limited the AI is vs rangers.

PowerSurge · Mar 10, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Took your advice and took disrupting lunge and It Works!

Queen Kaphet Owned by my pet lizard

It takes a few attempts to get used to the interruption timing but once you do you can take her down in less than 2 minutes.

MalVeauX · Mar 10, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Well, the reason it can go fast and easy with Ignite arrow is simply because of the new AOE spell behavior that the patch gave monsters. When you cast an AOE or use an AOE, the monsters flee and return and if hit again, flee and return. The AOE of the ignite is what makes them run so stupidly. It's just that we can attack with AOE so much faster than other characters can cast AOE spells, so they just dance in place so to speak as we trigger their AI to run every second or so.

I'm really interested to see a pet murder the Queen! Sounds like a great challenge!

How where you able to control mobs while your pet scurried about?

Cheers!

Hanego Ategeh · Mar 10, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Think they changed something in this patch relating to the AI. Used to be able to pull Queen out and get her to stay out but havent been able to do that today.

Mustache Mayhem · Mar 10, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

yeah it's gonner.. you don't have to pull her out anymore but they've put in some safeguards that pretty much do in the quick kill- she casts guardian all the time now and looks like her divine favor heals are even better.. I could only get her down to quarter health after disprupting guardian and she starts spamming reversal

ah well fun while it lasted.. no more posting solo builds lol anet reads these things

MalVeauX · Mar 11, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Mustache Mayhem

yeah it's gonner.. you don't have to pull her out anymore but they've put in some safeguards that pretty much do in the quick kill- she casts guardian all the time now and looks like her divine favor heals are even better.. I could only get her down to quarter health after disprupting guardian and she starts spamming reversal

ah well fun while it lasted.. no more posting solo builds lol anet reads these things

Poison still works!

By the way - I'm glad it was nerfed. The point of these things is challenge. The items are honestly not worth the effort in the end. And of course, a group of friends can easily clear the area and share the drops until each of them have a staff. I'd rather it keep being difficult. Make people earn the little things... I wasn't after the staff other than one just to have one, but the rest is just the challenge of pulling it off solo without a flavor-of-the-month type thing like an invici-smiter or something.

Edit:

I tried her some more and noticed some new behavior from the Queen. I easily killed all the patrols via the Griffons as normal and then simply poisoned all her ring of nest builders. When she gets down to two builders, she suddenly spams those spells like crazy and she also gains a larger arggo area. She literally will run after you with two nest builders, or at least one and a marrow together. They never keep chasing either. It's so retarded. She just runs after you, even if you're not in the arggo bubble range. And then returns to her place. So she's harder to get "alone."

So to get around it, and the fact that she casts quite a bit now, I messed with her a bit. I dropped ignite arrows as I felt it wasn't neccessary anymore and found it to be not needed really now. Anyhow, poison simply isn't enough when she spams like she does. So I also included hunters shot. Now, I can get her bleeding and poisoned pretty much always since she runs and chases me and I just pop her with one after the other. She spams to heal and sometimes she contemplates it all off. But it's easy to re-apply and her A.I. is dumb and sometimes she must forget she even has Contemplation. So she died. It took a while, but she died none the less.

Cheers!

NEOgeo · Mar 12, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

ahh, i thought i was only one of few to have been making a solo build for her, took me over a day using every proph and sub proph, the best one i came up with is this, and this tactic works 100% after the nerf and is very very quick with practice ..

all u need to kill HER .. is kindle + NR + favourable winds + poison arrow + savage shot

to keep yourself alive you use troll urgent offcourse, only this is needed.

to kill the other scarabs, patrols etc, use BARBED TRAP and FLAME TRAP !

atribs are as follows 9and from memory, my bad memory, this is roughly, see what it works out i nreality, lol)

Wilderness = 15

Marks = 8 or 9, whatever the min req of your best bow

everyhting else on experties, im sure it still above 10, like 11-12 maybe.

anyway thats the atribs, this is the tactics ....
exit via augary, and just before ur in the agro of the first 2 critters at the start, cast troll urgent wich is at a rather sexy +10 regen

and just run as fast as your legs will take u past the 2 enemies, even right thru their traps it makes no difference, straight past the minators that are coming down, just before u get to the main group of scarabs blocking the "alley" type thing entering the main area were the queen is, stop and cast troll urgent again, even if the minators are near, but NOT if a devourer is near, then run past these groups of scarabs to either the left or the right side, depending how close the trapper scarab is to each edge , your goal is to head for the east point were some griffons are, behind the queen, if you were quick eneough in running there then the scarab patrols are fighting minators/devourers or griffons and ignore u while in combat with them,

there is a spot between the griffons and the queens nest with 2 chunky bushes paralel to each other, you want to be in the centre of them, but back a little just so your out of the agro of the patrols that will now be circling the nest , set some traps in the centre of these 2 bushes, stack quite a few in one place to kill the necro scarabs almost right away, they will be 90% dead, but also put another barbed trap quite a bit behind so the ranger scarab that lags behind can be agroed onto it, so now a patrol and lure them on to your traps, running right thru your first set, when u fdo this do a poison arrow on each of the now bleeding scarabs, then retreat even further so the ranger scarab gets a barbed trap in his face, making it also crippled and bleeding for a very long time, add a poison arrow to this and retreat even more until the scarabs head back in the direction of the queen, they should be dead by the time they even get near there with all that degen

repeat this for the other patrols, if your in trouble then agro them onto the griffons for help.

now all patrols are gone, there is just the nest circle, the queen i nthe centre, and TWO HELPERS with her, thats SHOULD NOT DIE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES !!!!!

you take a good ranged bow and use kindle and atk ONE of the outer circle nest scarabs until its dead, stopping when the queen puts MOP on it and just let poison do the work until MOP wears off then continue to hit it untilit dead, you only need to kil ONE of these .

now u want to just walk into the agro of the queen so she and her 2 helpers folow you out, you want to retreat to guage the exact furthest point that they will follow u is . at this point, you should stack quite a few traps, enough to severly wound its helpers BUT NOT KILL THEM ! agro them onto the traps, the queen will rush out to heal them, just stay out of their range and the scarabs will limp back to the centre of the nest while being healed by the queen.

now you have the queen out of her nest, and as long as those 2 helper scarabs are alive you can stand JUST outside her agro with drago flatbow, and hit her to your hearts content and she WILL NOT EVEN TRY AND FIGHT BACK AND THE CENTRE SCARABS WILL NOT COME OUT UNTIL YOUR AGRO BUBBLE ACTUALLY TOUCHES THE QUEEN :''''D

so cast NR and FW , use kindle and put a poison arrow in its face, soon it wil use guardian, giving you forever and a day to interupt it with savage shot due to NR and the fast arrow flight speed of FW. she will die incredibly quickly as long as you remember that the interupts take priority over your preperations , so if kindle is just ending or poison has just worn off, but you sense a guardian coming, wait until she casts it and interupt it, THEN do your preps.

this can also be done with a ranger mes with 0 atribs on marksmanship and just using apply poison + power spike @ 12 domination, does alot of dmg to her when u interupt, i done this for a whole day without even thinking of using NR, giving myself a headache before the blatantly obviouse dawned on me :P the dvantage to the mes interupts is that you have a free elite skill slot as your using apply poison over poison arrow as all your marks atribs are on domination, so you can then use spike trap to clear out the patrols almost twice as quickly, eg INSTANT death by traps, no trapping + poison + retreating stuff, after practice the 2 traps + ranger interupts is by far the best build to use, for my liking anyway.

i hope you enjoy trying out this build/tactic as much as i did making it (i think i have a few new grey hairs now too with missing interupts in previouse builds that didnt have NR in it x'D )

im done with farming her for now, the staff is incredibly overfarmed right now, to the point were i done 30 runs without a single drop of the green staff, and bte i never done moret han 2 in a row without going to mess up the anti farm by running thru some mission and stuff like that, so im quite ready to give away my tactic for beating the nerf :]

enjoy

Mr D J · Mar 12, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

I replaced lightning reflexes with with oath shot and I can spam whirling endlessly. Works out pretty well but a the queen is a pain

Dralspire · Mar 12, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

The irony ... I was fiddling around a bit with builds, but eventually I got tired of it. So I grabbed a bunch of henchies, and all it took was one visit:

fiery · Mar 12, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

He has enchantments and conditions on him he will cast Mark of Protection to save himself but than he removes it with contemplation of purity, add in some condition would go much faster.

Yanman.be · Mar 12, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

i'm working on a build to kill all of them:
put down eoe, then kill some of them..they rest should follow too..

dunno how to kill them though

NEOgeo · Mar 12, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

*sigh* i know i write alot, but if some of you actually read it, or at least some of it, alot of your questions would be answered, my build kill them all, and easily, and it adds conditions, and its quick, and completly solo, and completly one prophs skills, all ranger .

..shade!! · Mar 13, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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NEOgeo · Mar 13, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

ok, i knew there was something fishy about that last update that didnt say what they updated, they nerfed the nerfed nerf (0.o) you cant get her to not attack you now using my above trick, so from now on im never telling anyone my builds and tactics, ever again, i told ONE person about this ingame before now and already they nerfed it again, pisses me off so much, oh well back to hydras then

:@

i can still kill her but i need one monk heal skill to go with troll urgent, and will take longer

Druids Arrow · Mar 13, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

I'm sure they nerfed it just because of you.

Hanego Ategeh · Mar 13, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

They do read boards, but this problem seems unlikely to recieve significant attention with a new release coming up soon.

I don't really see this as a difficult thing with 2 ppl but I could be wrong.

NEOgeo · Mar 13, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Druids Arrow

I'm sure they nerfed it just because of you.

am i saying that ? but its entiry possible, as i know i was one of the first to stumble upon the tactic of getting her to NOT atk you, and i told one person ingame, who probably then told all his guildies, and so on and so on, toehr ppl would have came across it too, by accident like i did, and a few would have noticed it could be replicated for your advantage . the fact is its entiry possible that cause i opened my mouth , more ppl started using it and talking about it, even if its a minimal chance, so im just never ever gonna do it again, and i told this person about it ingame way before i posted anything in this thread.

onyo · Mar 14, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

feather boss doesnt spawn for me... how come?

Kez Taqir · Mar 14, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

It's just luck with which griffon boss spawns. Sometimes it's Featherfist and sometimes it's Screaming Claw. You can even have both of them spawn, which probably means there is a chance that none will appear on occasion.