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Mr Ownager · Mar 07, 2006, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Not that you asked me but I would suggest either Ineptitude or Power Block. (my favourites

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floplag · Mar 08, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

try doing thirsty river with a memsmer, then tell me they dont own. !

ive done it a number of times with all classes now... but when we went through with my msemer to ascend him, it was the fastest id ever seen it done

mesmers can deal damage when there arent bosses around to.. take s a balanced build, but it can be done

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

memser is better as a supporting profession, not as a primary...
and as for SS mesmers, no comparision to an echo ss necro... seriously...

As for pvp.... mesmers own.... no doubting that fact

LightningHell · Mar 08, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

In PvE, I think the others need to leave the Mesmer to do her job. Personally I would have the Mesmer shut down the Monk while they hit the Elementalist, in PvE. I think it's better than hammering on the Monk while shutting it down, also. IMHO.

Also, that monk would be "gleefully spamming heals", as stated above (somewhere), if that Mesmer weren't here.

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

In PvE, I think the others need to leave the Mesmer to do her job. Personally I would have the Mesmer shut down the Monk while they hit the Elementalist, in PvE. I think it's better than hammering on the Monk while shutting it down, also. IMHO.

Also, that monk would be "gleefully spamming heals", as stated above (somewhere), if that Mesmer weren't here.

no need for a mesmer shutting down the monk when they are constantly interupted by ELE's(meteor shower), necros(Spinal Shivers), or interupt Rangers....

monks can't spam heals when they are constantly interupted... with my ss necro i bring 1 skill that gives me 40+ seconds of interupts.... so alot of the time, and i hate to say it, mesmers just seem less useful... and i only mean in pve, i still they drainers in pvp arenas own

I do however love the mesmer profession as a secondary, i think its one of the strongest around...

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Mar 08, 2006, 05:26 AM // 05:26

I do believe the topic was about how "Mesmers are Undervalued"

Kinda like what you're doing right there, undervaluing us.

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

I do believe the topic was about how "Mesmers are Undervalued"

Kinda like what you're doing right there, undervaluing us.

saying u own in pvp isn't undervaluing u!

saying your one of the best secondary professions isn't undervaluing u!

saying out of 6 professions your is the least in demand for pve is true!

in no way am i being mean, but how often do u go into an area for pve and see groups spamming that they need a mesmer, i dunno if i ever have

Mesmer as a profession is more for experienced players, i agree with that... and I deleted mine for the obvious reason, getting in a group is way too time consuming

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Mar 08, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

I never have a problem getting a group.

The thing is with Mesmers is that we have different skills that work better or worse depending what we're doing. Some skills work in PVP that dont work in PVE. And vice versa.

Because of that, what most people dont realize is that the PVE skills allow for some of the best combo choices in the game. A good mesmer in PVE will get the job done, disrupt and take down the enemies in record speeds, and his team will never know he did a thing.

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

I never have a problem getting a group.

The thing is with Mesmers is that we have different skills that work better or worse depending what we're doing. Some skills work in PVP that dont work in PVE. And vice versa.

Because of that, what most people dont realize is that the PVE skills allow for some of the best combo choices in the game. A good mesmer in PVE will get the job done, disrupt and take down the enemies in record speeds, and his team will never know he did a thing.

sounds like ur talking about leaving an enemy useless(hexes) +(drained) and leaving your team to kill him.... sounds like a weaker version of what the necro can do

And i said they arn't in high demand, never said that someone who knows what they are doing can't be useful, never said mesmers suck, I loved my mesmer.... but only seemed powerful in pvp.... as far as uw and fow i could never find a group

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Mar 08, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

No actually, if anyone is the weaker side its the Necro. Also a mesmer does it faster, and more efficiently. Case in point being that a Mesmer has not only the ability to do all this, but to be his own support aswell. Energy Regain, something a Necro cant do to himself until after an enemy dies.

As for not being in high demand, thus the point of this topic. Undervalued.

Dragannia · Mar 08, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

sounds like ur talking about leaving an enemy useless(hexes) +(drained) and leaving your team to kill him.... sounds like a weaker version of what the necro can do

And i said they arn't in high demand, never said that someone who knows what they are doing can't be useful, never said mesmers suck, I loved my mesmer.... but only seemed powerful in pvp.... as far as uw and fow i could never find a group

Ha, yeah right.

Spinal Shivers is crap on say, a Monk. He spans Reversal a few times and you're out of energy.

Can, say, a Necro disable an enemy skill for 50+ seconds? Can a Necro disable an entire skill bar? Can he single handily cause two warriors to move at a snail's pace? Can he drain 50 energy less than ten seconds?

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

No actually, if anyone is the weaker side its the Necro. Also a mesmer does it faster, and more efficiently. Case in point being that a Mesmer has not only the ability to do all this, but to be his own support aswell. Energy Regain, something a Necro cant do to himself until after an enemy dies.

As for not being in high demand, thus the point of this topic. Undervalued.

I never knew a necro couldn't REGAIN energy, oh yea whats that skill, lol Offering of blood......you should know both sides of the argument before you try to make one

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Mar 08, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Dragannia

Ha, yeah right.

Spinal Shivers is crap on say, a Monk. He spans Reversal a few times and you're out of energy.

Can, say, a Necro disable an enemy skill for 50+ seconds? Can a Necro disable an entire skill bar? Can he single handily cause two warriors to move at a snail's pace? Can he drain 50 energy less than ten seconds?

Now now, no need to get into a spitting contest.

Keep it civil.

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

I never knew a necro couldn't REGAIN energy, oh yea whats that skill, lol Offering of blood......you should know both sides of the argument before you try to make one

HA! One skill. Mesmers have 3-4 skills for energy regain. That they can use on themselves. Also, Offering of Blood Requires a sacrifice of health, along with energy cost. It is no way comparable to Mesmer energy regains

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by Dragannia

Ha, yeah right.

Spinal Shivers is crap on say, a Monk. He spans Reversal a few times and you're out of energy.

Can, say, a Necro disable an enemy skill for 50+ seconds? Can a Necro disable an entire skill bar? Can he single handily cause two warriors to move at a snail's pace? Can he drain 50 energy less than ten seconds?

I beg to differ..Spinal Shivers on a boss or a monk lets say during oro farming.. Interupts from the Echo SS necro + The MM.... and i never run out of energy because i'm a mesmer secondary most of the time

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

Now now, no need to get into a spitting contest.

Keep it civil.

HA! One skill. Mesmers have 3-4 skills for energy regain. That they can use on themselves. Also, Offering of Blood Requires a sacrifice of health, along with energy cost. It is no way comparable to Mesmer energy regains

do u know anything about Offering of Blood.... to self-battery its all the energy regain you need, not to mention Necros who choose to be mesmer secondaries can use your energy management skills......

and I haven't even touched SOUL REAPING as far as regaining energy, I do, everytime anything dies

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Mar 08, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

And yet, while you try to cast these skills at a reasonable time, I will have drained you dry with fast casting long before.

I mean, you'd be in real trouble if you tried to cast Energy Tap with a 3 second cast time.

And you yourself have said it, you wouldnt be able to do half as much energy regain without mesmer skills. And in truth, you'd be regaining alot faster as well as casting your necro skills alot faster if you were a mesmer primary.

Its why Me/N's are considered the most dangerous in PVP, not the reverse.

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

And yet, while you try to cast these skills at a reasonable time, I will have drained you dry with fast casting long before.

I mean, you'd be in real trouble if you tried to cast Energy Tap with a 3 second cast time.

And you yourself have said it, you wouldnt be able to do half as much energy regain without mesmer skills. And in truth, you'd be regaining alot faster as well as casting your necro skills alot faster if you were a mesmer primary.

Its why Me/N's are considered the most dangerous in PVP, not the reverse.

i said about 3 times now mesmers rock in pvp....... been talking about pve

in pvp i'de bet on a mesmer over a necro anyday..

but for pve..

It would be like saying an Echo SS/SV Me/N is better than a N/Me.. which is so far from true... seeing 16 curses rocks your fast casting anyday in terms of kill speed!

in pve, stick to interupting
in pvp, stick to shutdown

Banebow · Mar 08, 2006, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

memser is better as a supporting profession, not as a primary...

Someone once said this to me about rangers. That was a funny day.

As for necros being "better" in PvE, well, you are entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be. You preach spinal shivers as perfect anti-monk shutdown, but ignore the fact that while you are wanding away at a monk you are not casting spiteful spirit, or anything else for that matter. Your shutdown needs constant maintenance , comes with a stupidly high energy cost, and is not controllable to the degree that good shutdown is. A mesmers shutdown is fire and forget, two diversions and the monk is gone for the entire fight.

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

It would be like saying an Echo SS/SV Me/N is better than a N/Me.. which is so far from true... seeing 16 curses rocks your fast casting anyday in terms of kill speed!

No kidding. But then, only fools of mesmers take SS as their elite, so what exactly is your point? That you can SS better than I can? Shocking. I bet my power block is better than yours too, but do we care? I doubt it, since it is irrelevant. Mesmers do not run the same builds as necromancers. Warriors don't try to run builds that elementalists use either, and for good reason.

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

in pve, stick to interupting
in pvp, stick to shutdown

Are you serious, or just being sarcastic? If you really are serious, then I suggest you go look at the skills "empathy" and "shatter hex". You might find a few things interisting.

Undead Preacher · Mar 08, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Someone once said this to me about rangers. That was a funny day.

As for necros being "better" in PvE, well, you are entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be. You preach spinal shivers as perfect anti-monk shutdown, but ignore the fact that while you are wanding away at a monk you are not casting spiteful spirit, or anything else for that matter. Your shutdown needs constant maintenance , comes with a stupidly high energy cost, and is not controllable to the degree that good shutdown is. A mesmers shutdown is fire and forget, two diversions and the monk is gone for the entire fight.

No kidding. But then, only fools of mesmers take SS as their elite, so what exactly is your point? That you can SS better than I can? Shocking. I bet my power block is better than yours too, but do we care? I doubt it, since it is irrelevant. Mesmers do not run the same builds as necromancers. Warriors don't try to run builds that elementalists use either, and for good reason.

Are you serious, or just being sarcastic? If you really are serious, then I suggest you go look at the skills "empathy" and "shatter hex". You might find a few things interisting.

Not once did i say necros were better than mesmers for shutting down monks, i said they were higher in demand for other reasons and can still do the trick....

mesmers = pvp
necros = pve

similiar professions, varied capabilities... i have said mesmers are the best shutdown characters.... but when it comes down to pve, other professions can make up for the lack of a mesmer.... which is harder to do with other professions....

with your attitude its easy to tell mesmer is your primary character that u play, lol, my opinion is a lil less biased seeing I play All professions.... but oh well.. some people are stuck in their ways.... I was thinking about creating another mesmer, and then I realized I might as well make him pvp seeing thats all he's good for, and yes, i'm very serious, lmfao....

nah that was a joke, if u read all my post its not that mesmers arn't useful, they are... just not as needed or lets say this different.... they don't fit as well into the team builds that people are playing nowadays.... like the typical uw or fow team build, or the oro farming builds... or even the new tombs builds...... thats why i say stick to pvp...... drainers are high demand there, and thats where they own

Banebow · Mar 08, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

but when it comes down to pve, other professions can make up for the lack of a mesmer....which is harder to do with other professions

Besides monks, not really (and even monks are debatable). It just takes less brain work for people to stick with the trinity, so they do.

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

they don't fit as well into the team builds that people are playing nowadays.... like the typical uw or fow team build, or the oro farming builds

Mm-hm, and this was mentioned before as well. Probably the biggest thing going against the mesmer currently is the fact that no fotm farming build involves one. (can't be a tanks order dog? Better not try and find a group

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

with your attitude its easy to tell mesmer is your primary character that u play, lol, my opinion is a lil less biased seeing I play All professions

Actually, it is a PvP warrior. My attitude comes from the statement that mesmers are effectivly pointless in PvE and should stick to PvP. Shall we say that elementalists should stick to PvE because warriors can cause more damage in PvP?