Curse

Terra Xin · May 21, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

You just have to laugh when you distract a warriors healing sig. It's like "Yeah! Kill him kill him!!!"

I can't spell PD for the life of me.... thanks^^.

Powerblock? Yeah I'm not saying it sucks or anything, but like PD, it has it's place in a particular Mesmer build. Where powerblock can shutdown Casters and screw them into wanding, PD can take out essential skills and leave the target vulnerable.

If we're talking about the least useful mesmer skill.... I'd say...Keystone Signet... but then again, someone out there is working on a signet build^^

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 21, 2006, 11:59 AM // 11:59

Keystone signet has promise imo; especially with later expansions.

Now fevored dreams however...thats just plain stupid. Maybe if it had an aoe fragility in addition to whatever it has now.

I can see a monk with bane signet+holy wrath being a big comp...well not really but an interesting build nonetheless. What I'm worried (yes actually worried) about is some sort of caster (likely me/mo or mo/me) with succor+signets. From a mathamatical standpoint; they are loosing nothing for using only signets. The energy regen they have is being used by teammates; their team still has the max energy regen and the downsides of succor are negated by default. However they are going to rip you up bad with "free" spells that do not use energy while more energy challanged builds (PD perhaps?) are going to take advantage of their energy haste.

Hella Good · May 21, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

I personally love Sigs but I find it limiting to use only Sigs and Keystone just doesn't do enough to have a place on my skillbar. But definitely with a Sig build, you need to have some way of utilizing your energy. One or two 25 nrg skills, or Holy Wrath, or something! Reminds me, the new skill Complicate is an awesome universal interrupt/Sig disabler.

Caros · May 21, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I gotta agree with Hella on PD. It's an awesome skill imo. And i haven't found energy to be a problem at all if you actually interrupt, as opposed to spamming it and hoping to hit something. I doubt this will see much use though. In the same way as powerblock, most mesmers don't like the idea of interrupting without migraine. If you can use it, this skill can make a huge difference.

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 22, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

What I find interesting is how succor will play into this. With sig builds and all.

Avarre · May 22, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

I personally love Sigs but I find it limiting to use only Sigs and Keystone just doesn't do enough to have a place on my skillbar. But definitely with a Sig build, you need to have some way of utilizing your energy. One or two 25 nrg skills, or Holy Wrath, or something! Reminds me, the new skill Complicate is an awesome universal interrupt/Sig disabler.

Mesmer bonder with keystone + ether sig for energy management!

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 22, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Mantra of inscriptions already covers that big time though with blessed sig =/

Only thing preventing additional bonds is the cap of 10 degen.

Avarre · May 22, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

True, but inscription keystone and ethersig is possible by mesmer, blessed isn't

Mesmer farming groups ahoy!

I could generally maintain about 9~ enchants with it, easier if damage being taken..

Sab · May 22, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Mesmer bonder with keystone + ether sig for energy management!

ZOMGWTFBBQ build of the year! Must try this.

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 22, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Best thing mesmer has going for it in pve is cry of frustration/shatter hex imo...
no offense avarre.

Avarre · May 22, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

Really? I just played through the deep (err7ed near the end though) using 0 domination. Recovery light degen lets me put -5~degen on a group of 6 targets in about 5 seconds (with subsequent follow up putting all at 9). I'm opposed to degen, but if anyone knows my reasons, they'll know this doesn't fall under it.

However, I think we all know your ideal PvE build is *snicker* echo SQ with shatter?

To put it in context, I could say the best thing wars have going for them in PvE is Dolyak signet... technically it's an incredible skill, but if you think that suddenly becomes the only point to their existance, then you are wrong. And fortunately after 9 million xp I'm still not bored of playing variants of mesmers, so it looks like my gaming style is successful

Hella Good · May 22, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by Eaimirth Etaivella

Best thing mesmer has going for it in pve is cry of frustration/shatter hex imo...
no offense avarre.

Surprisingly, I actually agree with you on that one. Interrupts and hex management is pretty much where Mesmers shine in PvE. Shatter hex does some massive damage. We used to do Fissure and like I would do AoE deep wound (and sometimes blind) and then Cry/Shatter Hex. Pretty deadly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

To put it in context, I could say the best thing wars have going for them in PvE is Dolyak signet... technically it's an incredible skill, but if you think that suddenly becomes the only point to their existance, then you are wrong.

That is a very good point as well. I actually got bored at some point from the same old, same old Domination builds and switched to Illusion. Still haven't done Factions with my Mes, we'll see how it goes.

Btw, I remember this one time in HA, I got literally rolled over by this Sig Mes. I know he had Keystone and SoW/SoH but what else he had I'm not sure. Whatever it was he was using, it was painful.

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 22, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

You and I both know my fissure build; and I find it idealic that the number of damage just so happens to be 444 when I'm done.

*keeps standpoint against degen in pve with exclusion of lifesiphon/solo builds*

D. Sig is...way powerful; abusable in fact. Heck every monk dreams of having that skill and wets themself thinking about it. While necros have SS and MM; Monks have WoH and divine boon, Mesmers have Shatter hex and cry of frustration.

-edit- not all that far behind then; 7.6mil

fatboyslimerr · May 22, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

I'm sad you didn't mention power leak eaimirth, because its by far my favourite skill as well as being, in my opinion, the most mesmerish. It interrupts spells and causes massive energy lost

Although cry of frustation is great and if you can use it right, its possible to destroy a spike team's beloved spike with one skill

I'm interested to hear if anyone else has made good use of PD and if they're come up with a good PD build with consideration for your skills being disabled most of the time. Channelling ? Ether Lord ? Spirit of Failure ? - all cast and forget energy gains which could be used with PD.

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 22, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

I didn't mention it because it has no place in pve. Enamies have nearly limitless supplies of energy; and power spike is by far a better choice.

PD could use a energy boost from succor from a signet mesmer or monk; however any "major" advances have not been discovered by me in the time that has passed from my last note on the subject.

fatboyslimerr · May 22, 2006, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Sorry I didn't realise you were talking about PvE, I wouldn't know about that. I'm only in it for the PvP, and you can't argue against the fact that power leak is fantastic for PvP

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 22, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

If it hits yep it is truly extremely hazardous to the enamy.