Curse

Vahn Roi · Apr 27, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

Over the last few months, I have heard a few necromancers tell me not to use heal area on their minions (horrors, terrors, ect) there reasoning is that monk healing spells "weaken" them and a few have said that the minions get -1 health regen for every monk spell cast on them. I am quite sceptical about the latter due to the fact minion health naturally degenerates with time and before they die (assuming they die by "natural" means) their health regen is -10, but the weakness comment I am not so sure about.

Anyway, I was hoping some experienced necromancers could confirm or deny this myth with facts or numbers or something. I'm not looking for a vote on how many people think it is true and how many don't so if you are going to post, offer some form of proof please.

My theory is that this mythe came from the area "mending spells" like Melandru's Stream (or whatever it is called) that states "Undead that get too close are weakened" and I believe the mythe to be false.

Thanks for your help guys.

Lint · Apr 27, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

HOLY Healing makes degen more, Only Holy. For ex: Heal area-Holy
Healing Spring-Not Holy

BohemianKeith · Apr 27, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Complete and utter myth, dont let anyone tell you that HOLY healing spells increase degen. Search for minions in the guildwiki and you'll see it there, also i have seen numerous tests posted in other forums to disprove this rumor.

Vahn Roi · Apr 27, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by guildwiki

# Minions are subject to constant health degeneration, starting at 1 "pip" of degen at summoning, and increasing by 1 pip of degeration every 20 seconds. (One pip of degeneration is -2 health per second.) While their actual health will never experience degeneration greater than -10 pips (20 health per second), they can have hidden degeneration greater than -10, if they have been "alive" long enough, that will counteract any regeneration from such skills as Verata's Sacrifice or Healing Breeze.
# Minions can be healed not only with necromancer spells like Verata's Sacrifice or Blood of the Master, but also with Monk spells like Heal Other. Contrary to some rumors, healing a minion with a Healing Prayers skill does not increase its degeneration.

BhemianKeith are any of these test results posted on public forums that I could possibly view via link? If so I would love to take a look at them if it's ok with you.

Bel Ebih · Apr 27, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3017074

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3015236

These two threads on the exact same topic are on the first and second pages right here in the Necro forums. So, was this thread really necessary?

To just answer your question, no, it's just a myth that is completely false. Holy Healing has no effect on minion degen. Period. Finite. Nothing to argue here. Still, I'm sure I'm gonna see another thread asking the same thing in the next coulple of days.

Arkantos · Apr 27, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bel Ebih

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3017074

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3015236

These two threads on the exact same topic are on the first and second pages right here in the Necro forums. So, was this thread really necessary?

To just answer your question, no, it's just a myth that is completely false. Holy Healing has no effect on minion degen. Period. Finite. Nothing to argue here. Still, I'm sure I'm gonna see another thread asking the same thing in the next coulple of days.

I see these every 2 days

bobrath · Apr 27, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Real easy to test. Get your self a necro. Have him summon a minion. Click go on your stop watch - then stop it when the minion dies.

2nd time - as soon as the minion is summoned, do a heal area that encompasses the summon. Since it was just raised you won't be undoing any degen but if there is some sort of holy healing effect it would be triggered. Start and Stop your stop watch as above.

Notice that the two times are the same. End of Test, End of Myth (we wish)

kaldak · Apr 27, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32

not only is it a mythe, its also a myth

proof? spam holy at a minion and watch it not degen any faster than time would account for.

Veron · Apr 27, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Heal Area may be more common now, considering V-Sac was nerfed to uselessness and BotM is now unspammable.

Poison Ivy · Apr 27, 2006, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Not ture at all.

ShazBo · May 08, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

lol ya I tell MMs when I play as my monk to not worry cuz I'm a MM myself. I know for a fact that the degen is time based not spell based

Iori Shozu · May 09, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Also note that minion degen can go way below 10 because given enough time(granted b4 veratas was nerfed); a minion with a +10 from veratas + healing breeze(yea it was a test) would still eventually degen itself which would equal out to a total of 20 regen and 30 degen granted at that it takes about an hour to reach that kind degen but it can happen. Max affectable(meaning that is noticed in movement of health bar) is 10 either way.

B Ephekt · May 09, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lint

HOLY Healing makes degen more, Only Holy. For ex: Heal area-Holy
Healing Spring-Not Holy

Please don't spread false information.

Manic Smile · May 09, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*beats self sensless*

enough with this already...NOT TRUE...UTTER MYTH...COMPLETE BULL...JUST WRONG...

Manic Smile · May 09, 2006, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by Veron

Heal Area may be more common now, considering V-Sac was nerfed to uselessness and BotM is now unspammable.

? BotM spamming is the only way to go now that VS is broken...if you mean it eats your life that is very true but /mo and /rt or even some blood skills can make constant BotM spamming not a problem...Carinae Dragonblood has a invicinec MM BotM spammer that looks pretty interesting.

Skuld · May 09, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

are ppl so lazy they haven't even tested before spreading lies?? THEY DEGEN FASTER BECAUSE THEYARE ALIVE LONGER -> HEALING MAKES THEM LIVE LONGER FIGURE

Iori Shozu · May 09, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Also note you are a necro you have a weakness to holy spells this doesnt mean that you heal for less or take damage from heal spells. Undead are weak to holy damage not healing why else would skeletons have bonders and damned clerics simple fact is only time increases their degens or spells/effects that cause degen

Carinae · May 09, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic Smile

Carinae Dragonblood has a invicinec MM BotM spammer that looks pretty interesting.

Shhhhhhhhh.

Just kidding. I need to post the new build.

Unchain · May 09, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

*stabs self in hand*

Heal Area...doesn't...make..minoins degen...fasteerrr...

*falls to the ground*

pork soldier · May 10, 2006, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Nec/Mo is the ultimate minion master, spam sac skills to heal your minion army then follow up with a heal area to heal yourself and your minions. I've done this forever, so have most other minion masters I know.