Curse

Vexed Arcanist · Dec 17, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Max dmg per L16 Spiteful Spirit = 37, L17 = 39, L18 = 41, L19 = 43

You will not see level 19 often enough to even mention it. No matter what numbers you push out there the fact remains AtB is a weak skill taken as a slot filler in ANY build. Blood Ritual in UW is insane, it smacks the "Oh, Hi Mr. Aatxe, ignore me while I help my friend" on your head. Curious to see what Imonk build needs you pimping them energy, obviously I am out of the loop on that version.

lord_shar · Dec 17, 2005, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Vexed Arcanist

You will not see level 19 often enough to even mention it.

Not true... I see 43-dmg spiteful's pop up every other fight since I'm casting so many SS so often, especially with arcane echo. If you're talking about a Nec/Monk, then you're right, you won't see L19 hexes as often as a Nec/Mesmer.

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Originally Posted by Vexed Arcanist

No matter what numbers you push out there the fact remains AtB is a weak skill taken as a slot filler in ANY build. Blood Ritual in UW is insane, it smacks the "Oh, Hi Mr. Aatxe, ignore me while I help my friend" on your head.

The numbers speak for themselves... if you want to prove why AtB is weak, please demonstrate why with quantitative, non-anecdotal evidence. Alternative skill suggestions are fine, but please back these up with raw numeric data related to damage and energy consumed. L16 SS at 29 sec duration = 1073 dmg. L18 SS at 31 sec duration = 1271 dmg. Net gain = +16% damage, which is a good chunk of damage for 10 energy. That's not even counting L19 curses (+20% dmg).

Also, there's also no reason to use BR with aatxe's, since it's a melee mob that triggers Bonetti's energy gain. BR is mainly used for colds (if your monk runs dry), and post-fight fast recovery. None of the monks I go with ever complain about receiving BR casts.

EDIT: The bottom line is that speed kills. The faster you kill, the faster you get ecto. If you prefer a leisurely kill pace, that's fine too, but I like tuning my builds to be the best possible. I didn't even select my entire skill bar... another player accustomed to playing both nec's and 55-monks made a few suggestions, including AtB and Desicrate. I used to go without AtB, but now that I've seen the difference, I won't be dropping AtB any time soon (at least for UW smite runs).

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Originally Posted by Vexed Arcanist

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Curious to see what Imonk build needs you pimping them energy, obviously I am out of the loop on that version.

Usually Monk/Wars after tanking darknesses + coldfires, since Bonetti's doesn't net energy against missle attacks, and darknesses use "fear me" to drain energy.

Undead Preacher · Dec 17, 2005, 04:03 AM // 04:03

sorry but atb bumps my ss dmg from 37 to 41, worth it to me!! drop faster than w/out!!

baal peor · Dec 17, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56

very helpfull this is

zerulus · Dec 18, 2005, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

Usually Monk/Wars after tanking darknesses + coldfires, since Bonetti's doesn't net energy against missle attacks, and darknesses use "fear me" to drain energy.

Just toss SV on the monk after he agros all darkness then there is no energy drain since its adrenaline based and you will have two ss on them before they gain it back, then as soon as they have some adren they will just flurry and kill themselves in seconds. Also if the monk has blessed signet or uses essence bond there is never a need for resting or at least I've never had downtime between fights in all the runs I've done (as far as waiting for energy).
Out of everything I've tried this skill set up has worked best for me:
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1.Arcane Echo
2.SS
3.suffering
4.desecrate
5.sv
6.atb
7.powerspike (not really necessary if the monk uses sb and common sense, but it's a nice safety measure incase he/she misses one)
8.res sig (again not necessary if the monk knows what they are doing, but shit happens)

lord_shar · Dec 19, 2005, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by zerulus

Just toss SV on the monk after he agros all darkness then there is no energy drain since its adrenaline based and you will have two ss on them before they gain it back, then as soon as they have some adren they will just flurry and kill themselves in seconds. Also if the monk has blessed signet or uses essence bond there is never a need for resting or at least I've never had downtime between fights in all the runs I've done (as far as waiting for energy).
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I normally cast SV on the monk when pulling darknesses as suggested, and the darknesses do go down pretty fast. SV doesn't do much good vs. coldfires, so BR is a good fall-back skill in the event the monk can't keep up with the coldfire's damage output. I tried suffering, but it doesn't seem to contribute much to combat given its 15-energy cost, slow 2-pip degen, and long recycle time.

Order Of Thy Sword · Dec 20, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Thanks Undead, I for one came looking for this build and found your great post. Thanks!

Undead Preacher · Dec 20, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Order Of Thy Sword

Thanks Undead, I for one came looking for this build and found your great post. Thanks!

Thanks, this is the type of feedback thats appreciated!!!
I just ignore the negative morons like that first post, looks like it helped some people.. hope it has anyway!

repiv · Dec 21, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Yes, I agree this thread has definetaly helped me with my SS/SV build. Thanks.

LegendaryLemon · Dec 22, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

First off ty very much for posting this build, I really needed it. This is a newb question but I'm not sure which armor set to go with from droks? Which set is best for this build? Thanks again for posting the build and any other help.

Undead Preacher · Dec 22, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLemon

First off ty very much for posting this build, I really needed it. This is a newb question but I'm not sure which armor set to go with from droks? Which set is best for this build? Thanks again for posting the build and any other help.

When I originaly Got my necro Droks armor I got Tormentors for the obvious reason.... it had the highest armor rating of 70...... then I upgraded to 15k Necrotic from Grotto..... which had no Advantages over the droks tormentors besides LOOKS..... but if you don't care about looks and just want whats best for your character, I would go with the scars armor... I'm in the process of buying the 15k scars........basically due to the fact that it gives you more energy and the more energy the better!!!!!!!!!!!

DaHun · Dec 23, 2005, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Taking on smites w/o SV is plain and simply very hard.

lefty hagorn · Dec 23, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Try this for killing smites they die for me after 2 ss every time. My sv lasts for 17 secs. cast sv on monk hit 1 time with staff. Cast echo hit 2 times with wand then 2xs hit ss they have no energy to smite hex it off. Use desecreate when they are about half way dead they die in like 5 secs. The reason i use the hits with wands inbetween skills is it the timing that matters. You have to let the smites lose there energy 1st.

Undead Preacher · Dec 23, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by DaHun

Taking on smites w/o SV is plain and simply very hard.

This build takes care of SMITES very easily......first off you you don't echo ss you echo sv for smites..... first cast sv.... then cast signet of wearienss which drains smites of additional energy, then cast ss.... after ss cast the echoed sv again!!!!!!!! very simple guys...... thats why sv and sow are in this build!

lord_shar · Dec 23, 2005, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

This build takes care of SMITES very easily......first off you you don't echo ss you echo sv for smites..... first cast sv.... then cast signet of wearienss which drains smites of additional energy, then cast ss.... after ss cast the echoed sv again!!!!!!!! very simple guys...... thats why sv and sow are in this build!

I'm guessing you meant to first cast echo, then SV, then SoW.

Signets terminate echo without effect otherwise.

Undead Preacher · Dec 23, 2005, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

I'm guessing you meant to first cast echo, then SV, then SoW.

Signets terminate echo without effect otherwise.

yes i mean echo sv

RobotMULE · Dec 24, 2005, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by DaHun

Taking on smites w/o SV is plain and simply very hard.

A N/Mo can kill smites just as effectively by covering up their SS, and recasting it, having lots of energy with EB.

moonos · Dec 25, 2005, 06:09 AM // 06:09

why post a build when everyone allready knows it? You trying to get some credit for it or what? You didnt come up with it, your just taking a build and copying and pasteing.

lord_shar · Dec 25, 2005, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by RobotMULE

A N/Mo can kill smites just as effectively by covering up their SS, and recasting it, having lots of energy with EB.

The problem is that nec/monk can't kill as fast and consistently as a necro/mesmer. Yes they can cover their SS hexes with another hex, but this doesn't work too well when 10+ smites alternate casting smite hex, while a nec/mesmer kills them every time in under 30 seconds. It's even slower with aatxe's due to lack of arcane echo.

This has already been covered previously.

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Originally Posted by moonos

why post a build when everyone allready knows it? You trying to get some credit for it or what? You didnt come up with it, your just taking a build and copying and pasteing.

Based on the above posts thanking the OP, I'd guess that some people had an idea on how the build works but lacked the finishing touches. There's no harm in sharing build info anyway... that's what this forum is for.

Undead Preacher · Dec 25, 2005, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by moonos

why post a build when everyone allready knows it? You trying to get some credit for it or what? You didnt come up with it, your just taking a build and copying and pasteing.

Judging by this post it was helpful..... and don't accuse of copying and pasting this sh*t.... there are a lot of different ss builds, i'm sure a lot of them are similiar, but this is the one that "I" came up with, just cuz people like you can't come up with things on your own doesn't mean others don't... Some Echo SS/SV skills are obviously going to be in multiple builds.... but in no way did i copy this.... i'm sure there are others like it, but if you wanna peek at the replies in this post, people seemed to like it, so pretty much just go to H3LL!