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BakedMonkey · May 01, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

I tried using search for recomendations on what to bring as a Boon Prot Monk

fyi, i am a Mo/Me that uses MoR for energy management and currently using a kepkets =p thanks!

mushi · May 01, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I wouldn't use a kephuts, it makes you MoR less useful as it add an extra two seconds duration.

I use a 10/10 on all spells + 5 energy staff

JR · May 01, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

For a Boon Prot with Edrain, your primary weapon would be best as a 20%/20% Inspration Wand and Focus.

For MoR Prot Booning, a +5 energy weapon with +30 health mod and a 20%/20% protection prayers focus is probably ideal.

ump · May 01, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

My main weapon for a boon prot tends to be a Fiery Flame Spitter of Defense with the +5AL/+45 health while enchanted offhand. Along with shepherds armor (possibly with an acolyte feet - not sure if it is global or not), I have 480 base health + 50 superior vigor + 45 offhand + 30/35 shepherd = 605/610 health and 60 base AL + 5 fiery flame spitter + 5 offhand + 0/10 acolyte feet = 70/80 global AL only conditional on me keeping Divine Boon up. Of course, I have a second weapon set (usually the negative energy set for +10AL or the hale staff of fortitude for +60 health) when I cannot guarantee Divine Boon is always up because I am under pressure.

Megengo · May 01, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

I use a Wenslauss' Faith. It's a super cheap and easy to aquire green staff from the Tombs with +5 Energy, +30 Health, and 10/10 for all skills.

Nadji · May 02, 2006, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Sword +10 armor (+5 while enchanted)
Symbol +5/+45 while enchanted
Armor +10 armor while enchanted

I won't play anything else than Monk with 85 armor now

Maggeus · May 02, 2006, 08:45 AM // 08:45

Personnaly, for Monk MoR, i use :
_ Wroth + soulstone for normal playing.
_ Green inspiration set ( don't recall the name... ) for switch with MoR. ( helps a lot with Contemplation ).
_ Khepket. ( for after a mana burn ).
_ Axe or Sword -5 nrj armor +5 and Shield no req AL 10. ( while i got mana burned... )

Hope it will help.

yesitsrob · May 02, 2006, 09:30 AM // 09:30

I personally don't like using a +5 energy weapon on my main casting set... I see it as 5 more energy for an enemy mesmer to drain if I get caught.

For MoR I like 20/20 Prot Staff - if using CoP I think taking an inspiration recharge item doesn't hurt either... in which case I normally go Wroth's Rod and 20/20 Inspiration

2nd Slot would be +27 energy focus and +5 energy sword

3rd would be the +energy wand and +energy focus - I really don't recall the last time I ended up in this set, it's not very nice

4th is -2 energy scrolll or a shield (malinon's works great) and -5 energy sword

BakedMonkey · May 02, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

alright thanks guys!

Minus Sign · May 02, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

Weapon of choice? No such thing. I have 3 weapon sets for my monk:

Wroth's Holy Rod+Wroth's Icon

+15 energy -1Eregen rod+27 energy Focus

Kephut's Refuge for increased uptime of enchantments (I Mo/N; dump this for your Mo/Me) and attacking--We do so attack!...sometimes...

Depending on the situation and my energy levels, I'm swapping between these 3. I spend more time with Holy rod+Icon up than any other, but mostly weapons are what you need when you need it.

JR · May 02, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

I personally don't like using a +5 energy weapon on my main casting set... I see it as 5 more energy for an enemy mesmer to drain if I get caught.

In the situation that you are facing burn/surge, indeed.

However with MoR you do want a large energy pool when you can afford to. It gives you large chunks of energy at times when you can't always garauntee that your energy level will be very low, so a larger energy pool effectively means less risk of wasting energy.

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Originally Posted by Minus Sign

Weapon of choice? No such thing. I have 3 weapon sets for my monk:

I am fairly sure (at least I hope) that the OP is aware of focus swapping and the manipulation of energy pools, and was merely referring to the primary weapon set.

BakedMonkey · May 02, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

yea i was just wondering what i should use for the primary set >.>

yesitsrob · May 02, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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In the situation that you are facing burn/surge, indeed.

However with MoR you do want a large energy pool when you can afford to. It gives you large chunks of energy at times when you can't always garauntee that your energy level will be very low, so a larger energy pool effectively means less risk of wasting energy.

Yeah, makes sense. Could just be me being over cautious, I generally liked playing with as little energy as possible with more being there when I needed it. At one time I got into the habit of switching to negative energy when not casting even when I wasn't against mesmers, just for practice >_>. I do like having both Prot recharge and Inspiration recharge though (if running CoP, and especially with the domination mesmers that shatter recalls as soon as they are cast

).

The reason I like running the sword alongside the +27 energy focus is that you get a sudden boost of 20 energy for only 1 degen. But I suppose that can be seen as even riskier because if you get drained in that set you're going to be in negative energy numbers for a while and be temporarily ineffective... where as if I just had the +5 energy sword in the first place on main set it wouldn't require a weapon switch in the first place....

Jestah · May 03, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

A 40% inspiration recharge kit works just as well with MoR as it does with Energy Drain. Ok so CoPing it off and recasting will leave you with all but 3 energy profit but when you CoP for de-hexing it's nice to have MoR ready to recast (or atleast have a good chance of it). The 3 energy doesnt hurt either.

I know Soul Wedding (EviL monk) does it for sure, or atleast has done in the past and you can't argue with success :P.

Royale · May 03, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I run a Divine Rod with +5 energy ^50 and a 10% global recharge, and the Stonesoul as my offhand. The extra 45 health saves my ass all too often.

death met · May 04, 2006, 10:49 AM // 10:49

i use a kephets refuge, only for energy drain, since MoR is useless with this weapon. Also inspiration weps for skill recharge

JR · May 04, 2006, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Jestah

I know Soul Wedding (EviL monk) does it for sure, or atleast has done in the past and you can't argue with success :P.

For a while back in the OoB days WM Berry used to use a holy staff all the time, even when casting OoB. She also used to use an Insightfull mod on it, which is considered one of the worst staff heads you can chose.

EvIL Bloodlight Eyes has run Berzerker Stance and Bonneti's Defense in GvG.

Don't read too much into the equipment or skills that top Koreans use. They win through being excellent players, they don't necessarily have the creativity and insight that other guilds do when it comes to equipment or builds. Not that I like to generalize, but that's the way it is. Neither am I saying that it is wrong to use a dual recharge set for casting MoR, it's just a mini-rant about how people use guilds like EvIL or WM as justification for doing things that will not neccasarily work for them.

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Originally Posted by Jestah

A 40% inspiration recharge kit works just as well with MoR as it does with Energy Drain.

It doesn't nearly as well as it does with EDrain. With Edrain a fast recharge is just straight up more energy, with MoR it's more energy if you happened to have to CoP off MoR early. Even then the advantage is reduced due to the energy loss from actually having to cast CoP, and possibly recasting Boon if you had that up. It is BARELY worth using a dual recharge set when casting MoR, barely enough that I actually do, but the advantage is not really comparable to EDrain.

And it's not 40%, they do not stack directly. I can't remember the exact statistics (being at work) but I believe it is something like a 32% chance of double speed recharge, and 8% chance of quad speed.

Jestah · May 04, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Obviously I didn't mean it worked just as well in the sense that it provided more energy. I meant it in the sense that the choice of weapon was just as viable for both skills. I even said in my OP that it was only 3 energy if you had to CoP it, the main reason was entirely unrelated to energy. Please don't twist my words.

And you're comment about EviLs warrior has no bearing whatsoever on what I said. A warrior has plenty of room to experiment in fact you could bring a half empty bar and it wouldn't really matter. I think everyone knows the same doesnt apply to monks and especially so when it's their energy management. What I said wasn't the usual EviL fanboy type of comment, I was just providing an insight for people that dont know any better. What is this thread for if not that?

About the stacking thing, I'm completely aware of how probabilities are factored together. I just referred to it as 40% kit because its much easier than calling it a 37.232352 kit. Talk about pedantic.

Gotta admire your tone...really patronising.

JR · May 04, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Jestah

Obviously I didn't mean it worked just as well in the sense that it provided more energy. I meant it in the sense that the choice of weapon was just as viable for both skills. I even said in my OP that it was only 3 energy if you had to CoP it, the main reason was entirely unrelated to energy. Please don't twist my words.

Admittedly I went off on a bit of a tangent there, fairly common for me. I tend to reiterate things that have already been said to help clarify, and sometimes that gives the wrong impression. There was a sentence in your post that I found a touch misleading, so I posted to clarify. No insult meant.

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Originally Posted by Jestah

And you're comment about EviLs warrior has no bearing whatsoever on what I said. A warrior has plenty of room to experiment in fact you could bring a half empty bar and it wouldn't really matter. I think everyone knows the same doesnt apply to monks and especially so when it's their energy management.

It was just another example to back up the example of WM Berry that I reffered to, which I notice you failed to acknowledge.

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Originally Posted by Jestah

About the stacking thing, I'm completely aware of how probabilities are factored together. I just referred to it as 40% kit because its much easier than calling it a 37.232352 kit. Talk about pedantic.

Pedantic maybe, but correct. Refer to things accurately to avoid confusion.

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Originally Posted by Jestah

Gotta admire your tone...really patronising.

If you chose to feel patronised by my post, that is your problem. I do not set out to insult people, I simply say things as I see them.

Jestah · May 04, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by JR-

For MoR Prot Booning, a +5 energy (insightful) weapon with +30 health mod and a 20%/20% protection prayers focus is probably ideal.

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Originally Posted by JR-

...She also used to use an Insightfull mod on it, which is considered one of the worst staff heads you can chose.

Make your mind up.

Just for the record, insightful isn't as bad as most people make it out to be. Admittidly once you begin casting its regeneration that counts. The real benefit of it is when you are using something like Mantra of Recall which does not allow you to choose when you get the energy boost. Having a larger max energy makes you less prone to wasting some of the energy.

That was just a side point. Not saying it's good or bad, just that most people miss the point when they assess its usefulness.