Curse

eleet · May 13, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

this is a basic Pve/PvP degen build for mesmer factions dunno all skills but

Attributes

Illusion Magic As high as possible
FastCasting 9-11
Domination ?
Inspire ?

Skills

Conjure Phantasm
Conjure Nightmare
Images Of Remorse
Phantom Pain
Recurring Insecurity{E}
Ethernal Burden
?RAndon?
res

cast elite fisrt
and then all the other ehxes after

Hella Good · May 13, 2006, 03:30 AM // 03:30

.... Conjure Nightmare is 25 nrg and barely worth half of that. You simply can't sustain the use of this skill w/o massive nrg management. You will need smth like Glyph of (Lesser) Energy. Also Recurring Insecurity isn't worth the elite slot at all- a pain to maintain, too little degen, easily outperformed by non-elite skills. I would take some stuff from Necros like PBond (cover/heal), Faintheartedness (greater chance to trigger IoR damage), Vile Miasma (nice degen if you put a condition like DWound on target- which you can easily do with Phantom Pain or Cume Pain), etc. Overall I think you are going for new skill hype not functionality.

eleet · May 13, 2006, 03:39 AM // 03:39

so then can u post a good degen build for me

Peewee · May 13, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51

1)Conjure Phantasm
2)Phantom Pain
3)Crippling Anguish/Migraine [e]
4)Mantra of Persitance
5)Ethereal Burden
6)Drain Enchantment
7)Power Drain
8)Rez Sig

16 inspiration
13 illusion
4 fast casting

This is a neat build for both random 4v4 and 8v8 battles. Mantra of Persistance more than doubles the length of your hexes, meaning crip anguish/migraine lasts 39 seconds, Phantasm 25, Pain, 20, ethereal, 20 seconds. The other skills are there for energy management and general annoyance. You can slap 10 degen on a warrior quite happily, and then snare him for an eternity. He will never forgive you. In fact, Phantasm and Phantom Pain are enough to kill the majoity of opponents assuming they dont get any self healing

On somebody with 485 health, (25x5x2)+(20x3x2)+ 90 approx = 250+120+90=460 dmg. Thats 460 dmg with 2 hexes, plus a few wand attacks, and bam, if they cant heal, they are dead.

Avarre · May 13, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Also Recurring Insecurity isn't worth the elite slot at all- a pain to maintain, too little degen, easily outperformed by non-elite skills.

Recurring isn't about the degen, its about one of the most monstrous dps / spike capabilities existing to mesmers. Tried it in ta, ran into sna running it in gvg... ouch

In this build though, it's out of place.

Peewee's setup looks ok, though I'd get distortion in there just to provide more selfdefence. I'd drop burden, use anguish and distort

Insurgent · May 13, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19

There is a max degen of 10 as well, which is quite annoying

NatalieD · May 13, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Recurring isn't about the degen, its about one of the most monstrous dps / spike capabilities existing to mesmers.

Huh? How is Recurring about anything but degen? Does it do anything besides degen?

Avarre · May 13, 2006, 07:25 AM // 07:25

It double-triggers soul barbs when another hex is applied, causing 50+ dmg per hex from barbs. That's the best use of it, to spike with a huge storm of hexes.

fatboyslimerr · May 13, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Did you decide on the best new elite for degen mesmer then ? (obviously migrane). Any new factions illusion elites worth using instead of migrane ?

Evilsod · May 13, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Avarre

It double-triggers soul barbs when another hex is applied, causing 50+ dmg per hex from barbs. That's the best use of it, to spike with a huge storm of hexes.

That must be fun to use with some WW spamming?

Avarre · May 14, 2006, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Shadow shroud, soulbarbs, recurring, conjure or whatever from 3 me/n, 1 me/a as a spike.

Then application of about ~8 more quick hexes (and accumulated pain for deep wound), followed by 2 foc as spike. It hurts

Best counter I can think of is infuse or goh on the monks while someone uses convert...

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Did you decide on the best new elite for degen mesmer then ? (obviously migrane). Any new factions illusion elites worth using instead of migrane ?

Migrane or Crippling, depending on your target.