Curse

Jestah · Jun 01, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

I haven't played them recently, but i hear there are still the occasional huge brawl at the Dragon area. If you think you can tab at the speed of light to check what all people nearby are doing then you obviously aren't concentrating on the person your attacking.

So it takes a dumb warrior to get hit with Ineptitude these days does it? Ever wonder why i said SURPRISE Ineptitude? I'm not talking about the dumb warriors that you cast Inep on, carry on running at your for 5 seconds and still hit through it. 9/10 if you catch a warrior building up adren, you can either catch him there and then or wait till he uses Eviscerate since you can nearly guarantee he'll be thinking about his next move more than 'I wonder if that mesmers nearby'. Also 294 isn't healed that quickly you know, WoH/Other gets about 220/230. And on top of that, 294 damage has quite a good chance of killing you if the monk was slow healing you before it.

Trashy elite? It may not be the elite Eviscerate or E-surge are, but its hardly trashy.

How do you plan on "suprising" a warrior over and over with the same tactic, he'll just stop running frenzy until you're either dead or somewhere else. Like I said, Frenzy is worth having on your bar for times you can use it without some RA player inepting you. True enough, it's easy to get off an ineptitude on an IAS'd warrior but you can usually hit escape fast enough if you're expecting it with no IAS.

You shouldn't even be in a situation where there's so much going on you can't watch the mesmer. Getting into 12v12s at the dragon shrine is dumb. In fact, why not just attack the damn mesmer. You get a good 3 seconds warning for ineptitude then and even if you're not watching him you get a second.

I can't believe you're telling me what does and doesn't happen in an average AB when I've played most of mine as frenzy warrior.

Btw, I've changed my mind, Ineptitude is the trashiest elite there is, even worse than PnH. The 20 second recharge and the fact you can only realistically use it on melee characters just kills it. What do you do when the warrior goes down, ineptitude the monk lol. Anti-class characters are for modes which actually have a metagame and even if AB had one ineptitude would still suck.

CrispyCritter · Jun 01, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

I've run a build like this in RA, and it worked pretty well. My setup looked like this:

16 Sword
11 Strength
8 Healing

Sever Artery
Gash
Final Thrust
Battle Rage {E}
Mending
Live Vicariously/Watchful Spirit
Purge Signet
Res Sig

It's true that you don't have an IAS, but with Battle Rage you've effectively got a constant speed boost so it makes you difficult to kite. Additionally, you're building adrenaline twice as fast as normal, which is considerably faster than you would be building with an IAS.

It's true that Healing Signet is a better heal, but it does have disadvantages:

1) you have to stop attacking for 2 seconds to use it, which gives your opoponent time to run away
2) it can be interrupted
3) it gives you -40 armor, which basically makes it useless as a self-heal if you're under attack.

Of course, your enchants can be stripped, but in GW any skill can be countered.

Purge Signet is a very useful way to remove disabling hexes and conditions, and the fact that it doesn't cost any energy makes it perfect for this kind of build.

I generally don't use this build outside of RA, although it could probably work in an Alliance Battle. That said, it seems like Alliance Battles are a little more like TA. Since you can actually set up a team, your build doesn't need to be quite so self-sufficient, and hence you should probably tend to focus more on doing damage than on keeping yourself alive.

Oh, and Ineptitude isn't a trashy elite. If you want a trashy elite, check out Mind Freeze.

jummeth · Jun 02, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Ineptitude does 120+ armour ignoring damage and blinds for 10 seconds. 1 second cast, 10 second recast. As far as warrior hate goes, its far from trashy.

But frenzy's upsides way over balances its down side. True you must be careful, but otherwise how else will the skill be balanced. Rush is less good for AB since you need the on-demand speed buff. (you can always have the luxury of taking 4 swings at someone.)

The fact that you lose all your adren as you recast it is annoying, but I suppose necessary. Its a decent pressure build. It lacks KD and disruption though, if we overlook the IAS since you are right the adren buildup is fine w/o it.

Jestah · Jun 02, 2006, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Well unless the place I got the info from hasn't updated their skills, it's a 20 second recast not 10. I wouldn't know off hand because it's so trashy I haven't seen the stats ingame for a while.

Ok take this comparison. Forget the blind, blinding every 20 seconds won't pressure a team with a monk in the slightest.

Images of remorse: 55 Damage and -5 degen (10 second duration) every FIVE seconds. For the same energy as Ineptitude that's 210 damage in half the time. In the same period of time for double the energy it's 420 damage.

Ineptitude can't even match up to non-elites for damage and there are much better ways than a 20 second recharge blind to kill a Warrior's damage. I'd take up 2 slots on my bar and a good elite over a pitiful elite like that 10 times outa 10.

fb2000 · Jun 02, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

dude, stop thinking of your ultra leeet all-star teams.. its far from reality, im not that good a player myself, yet in any of those alliance battles and the quarry/aspenwood, everyone is pretty suxy (and ultra arrogant while hes at it)

and i wouldnt use ur argument about "How do you plan on "suprising" a warrior over and over with the same tactic, he'll just stop running frenzy ". in the midst of the fight, its more than likely hes not even gonna see he got ineptitude'd

Jestah · Jun 02, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

lol sorry but if you find a warrior that doesn't notice he just lost 300 health then you dont need anything special to kill him. If youre gonna discuss the tactical use of skills then you have to assume your opponent isn't braindead, otherwise you probably don't even need tactics.

I only replied to the guy cuz his tone suggested he'd jus "owned" my point or something. Yeah ineptitude is fine for the average player in AB but if you're gonna start trying to "prove me wrong" then I'll assume you're talking about high level PvP unless you're more specific.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Jun 03, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by Jestah

I've played countless battles with frenzy and that just isn't true in practice nor is it sensible in theory. It's a waste of time trying to catch a frenzy warrior offguard more than once in an unorganised 4v4 situation. You won't finish him off the first time and it only takes one attempt for it to be predictable.

lol are you sure? i caught a frenzied warrior at ft aspenwood with just a lil bit below 50% health, i had a FULLY charged FINAL THRUST, lol it wasnt very pretty, make sure you cancel out frenzy people even below 50% health, you dont want to this to happen to you, i know i would be pissed if someone hit me with a 218 critical final thrust and woudn me up dead

Aussie AJMW · Jun 03, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by chumsy

If the guy wants to do a 0 mp build, then let him do a 0 mp build.

The lack of an IAS buff is probably made up with auto-regen instead of wasted time using heal sig or doing something non-attacking.

Only thing I'd add is Purge Signet (removes all hexes and conditions at the cost of 10 energy each) to go along with the 0 mp gimmick.

It doesn't really matter if Purge Signet ends Battle Rage because hexes and conditions usually force you to fold anyways.

only person who actually read the title

Aussie AJMW · Jun 03, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

and to crispy critter i started of with sever and gash but theres always the monk with completaion of purity so i thougth fck it lets c u reversal of fortune 80+ damage every strike

Aussie AJMW · Jun 03, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

btw this post is for people stating about my build. If u wonna to talk about ineptitude do it in mesmer or a separete post in warrior

Dejii · Jun 05, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

if your not using energy, take succor for your team monk + nuker. they will appreciate it.

if you stay this build either drop the points in tactics or healing, 4 way split isnt good. Also put the +3 rune on your highest stat. Another tip is that while you do alot of damage, you must use it all before battle rage ends meaning after one full spike (all your attacks) you must reapply battle rage and start over. Battle rage is a great move for a sword build though

Aussie AJMW · Jun 06, 2006, 12:30 PM // 12:30

i understand about the 4 way split but no energy and this is the only way unless monk get a new way of healing with out energy. and the only reason i put sup on str is because i wonted an extra second on battle rage (trust me i get another attack in otherwise i wouldnt bother) and i usually get about 7-10 on stationary and 4 if massive kiter unless they aswell got faster movement then i just flank off and wait till they return

Jestah · Jun 11, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Xaero Gouki Kriegor

lol are you sure? i caught a frenzied warrior at ft aspenwood with just a lil bit below 50% health, i had a FULLY charged FINAL THRUST, lol it wasnt very pretty, make sure you cancel out frenzy people even below 50% health, you dont want to this to happen to you, i know i would be pissed if someone hit me with a 218 critical final thrust and woudn me up dead

Yes very sure, can't really prove a point by using dumbasses as a reference.

CKaz · Jun 12, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

thread hijack ftw!

Jestah · Jun 12, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

It's a dead thread anyway. Close ftw.