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Ashleigh McMahon · Jun 06, 2006, 10:25 AM // 10:25

Hey. First of all, here is my current skills:
Fire attunement
AoR
Fireball
Breath of fire
fire storm
Tensais Heat(same as searing heat).
Res Sig

Heres what I plan to get:
Fire Attune
AoR
Mshower
BoF
Fire storm
Temsais Heat
Res sig

Ok. I need to know what skill I should replace for arcane echo, as one of my final skills will be that. Could you guys n gals give me some help here?

Thanks
Ashleigh

Zorian Direspell · Jun 06, 2006, 11:31 AM // 11:31

If you want to be an echo nuker, go:

Meteor Shower
Arcane Echo/ Echo (or both)[depends on how many MSes you need]
Fire Attunement
Mantra of Resolve
AoR/ Rodgort's Invocation [depends on if you have a reliable monk or not]
Elemental Attunement or Ether Prodigy (if you took no other elites - as this is PvE, and exhaustion can get problematic, I'd say EA unless you're in a heavy ench. stripping area)
Res Signet

You could also vary AoR with ether feast or RI with Incindiary Bonds

If you want to be a renewal nuker go:
Glyph of Renewal
Meteor Shower
Fire Attunement
Mantra of Resolve
AoR or Ether Feast
Energy Tap
Rodgort's Invocation or Fireball (the 'ball might be less draining here)
Res Signet

If you want to be a general nuker that isn't a one trick pony go:

Elemental Attunement or Ether Prodigy
Fire Attunement
Fireball
Incinderiary Bonds
Rodgort's Invocation
AoR/Stoneskin/Ether Feast
Ward Against Melee/ Mantra of Resolve
Res Signet

If you want to truly be useful to your team, bring wards.

(although I suppose meteor shower does have that nice protective knockdown)

Zorian Direspell · Jun 06, 2006, 11:33 AM // 11:33

I forgot to mention:

Don't bring Firestorm, Breath of Fire or Tenai's Heat. If you want to use AoEs to ward your team, switch to Earth, where the AoEs are more effective for that purpose.

Ashleigh McMahon · Jun 06, 2006, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Thanks.
Fire attunement seems good energy storage for the moment. I'll just go and test my own builds and see how they work out.

Thanks
Ashleigh

Ole Man Bourbon · Jun 06, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

I'd always bring Immolate, Incendiary Bonds, and Fireball if I'm using Fire Magic. Incend Bonds > Fireball > Immolate is a nice combo. Phoenix and Inferno are good if you're going to have to be close to enemies and have some defense or healing.

Meteor Shower isn't always that great, either, because it screws up aggro and in certain places that can lead to your team getting wiped. You can echo Meteor if need be for a similar effect.

Francis Crawford · Jun 06, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

As I posted in another thread, my current build is:

Elemental Attunement (E)
Fire Attunement
Aura of Restoration
Resurrect
Rodgort's Invocation
Incendiary Bonds
Fireball
Immolate

The key point is that Fireball is the most energy-cost-effective spell in Fire Magic. And with dual Attunements, the net cost of Immolate is no more than the cost of Flare, so might as well run it instead.

Evilsod · Jun 06, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Zorian... i'm sorry but that first build you posted is just awful. Admittadly i used something similar to go nuking in SF since those healers are just stupid but you knew your enemies where gonna be stood still like lemons or body blocked then. Taking Meteor Shower as your only damage dealing skill is a bad idea.

If your nuking you need Meteor Shower, Fireball and either Incendiary Bonds or Rodgorts Invocation (both is a bit of a waste). Otherwise your not really a nuker. Immolate i find very useful to pick off things that are on low health since it can't be avoided. As for screwing up agro... yeah it happens. But thats only usually against very fast enemies with high AL or Bonds on them (yes i'm thinking of Skeleton Berserkers). The majority of the time anything below the nuke zone dies. If not, the other members of your team should be able to mop it up surely?

Tbh i'm not a fan of Arcane Echo for Eles. Its good if you want to use your elite for something specific, but i prefer Glyph of Renewal. And Echo.... I'm REALLY not a fan of echo for use with eles.
Imo it has no purpose, the reason its elite is that it costs 10 energy less and can echo anything. Glyph of Renewal cannot be shattered and can be used to recharge anything with messing up for skillbar. Renewing Fire Attunement is often a good idea just incase it gets shatted, not sure if its really necessary though with the change to the Recharge time.

Zorian Direspell · Jun 07, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Quote:

Zorian... i'm sorry but that first build you posted is just awful. Admittadly i used something similar to go nuking in SF since those healers are just stupid but you knew your enemies where gonna be stood still like lemons or body blocked then. Taking Meteor Shower as your only damage dealing skill is a bad idea.

If your nuking you need Meteor Shower, Fireball and either Incendiary Bonds or Rodgorts Invocation (both is a bit of a waste). Otherwise your not really a nuker. Immolate i find very useful to pick off things that are on low health since it can't be avoided. As for screwing up agro... yeah it happens. But thats only usually against very fast enemies with high AL or Bonds on them (yes i'm thinking of Skeleton Berserkers). The majority of the time anything below the nuke zone dies. If not, the other members of your team should be able to mop it up surely?

Tbh i'm not a fan of Arcane Echo for Eles. Its good if you want to use your elite for something specific, but i prefer Glyph of Renewal. And Echo.... I'm REALLY not a fan of echo for use with eles.
Imo it has no purpose, the reason its elite is that it costs 10 energy less and can echo anything. Glyph of Renewal cannot be shattered and can be used to recharge anything with messing up for skillbar. Renewing Fire Attunement is often a good idea just incase it gets shatted, not sure if its really necessary though with the change to the Recharge time.

Well, the first one is less a build and more a suggestion. Actually, they're all set up like that. Personally, I think Meteor Shower nuking is an inferior passtime for any elementalist when compared to warding in PvE, but the OP seemed to want MS, so I posted some pro-MS set-ups. Moreover, the OP said:

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Ok. I need to know what skill I should replace for arcane echo, as one of my final skills will be that. Could you guys n gals give me some help here

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So I assumed a desire to use arcane echo in an echo nuke build. I personally used suggestion #3 in Prophecies, and ditched that when I realized that other classes did more effective damage than me (so enter the warder.

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