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Nessaja · Feb 03, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

What you don't understand is that there are TWO discussions going on here, one about the Ward-Mesmer build which is what this topic is about.

And another that is talking about me - one that you started and is completely offtopic. All the contradicting points that I have made are based on two discussions. If you want to talk about ME, this is not the place for it, if you wan to talk about the Mesmer build here is the place for it.

All you have done so far is making personal comments about ME, and that seems to be the only thing you do now. Not about the subject, you're going offtopic and you're insulting me.

I don't play that game and I will be the bigger man, I don't need to insult you to prove I'm right. I just want to notify you that that's not the way to discuss.

Some one liners that you made:

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wasn't it you who said that mes wards lasted only for 16 seconds?"

I've already said I was wrong there. I'm unsure why you bring it up again.

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who started all the assuming in this thread anyway?
who assumed that we were trying to counter his superiority?

I did not come here with assumptions. I'm merely commenting on this build and taking part of a discussion.

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did i ever say i don't want a reaction? it is your style of reaction that is bothering.

That's your problem really.

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]ones at which you can easily start another thread with. yet you keep stuffing yourself in at a thread you don't belong. don't you get noticed enough in real life?

Why would I make a new topic, if the comments I made had to do with this topic.

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how can you ever post a post a mesmer build on wards, when you have already explicity stated that you think a mesmer warder is a terrible idea? how can you ever post a mesmer warder build after you have labelled it as crap? will you go backtracking and eat your own words yet again?

I've labeled YOUR build as crap, I've labeled a mesmer with a primary focus on wards as crap aswell. But I do not exclude having wards in your skillset, as long as you put 6 skills in your skillsets that you ARE effective with.

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hmmm, flaunting and repeatedly comparing your build nth times to the mesmer warder is "merely mentioning" it?
who barged in a mesmer forum with such bravado with an opening line as:
"an elementist does it LOT better"?

I said, "An elementalist does THAT a lot better" not it. The build you have posted is basically an Elemenalist build with a Mesmer being primary. That doesn't work. And yes, I merely mentioned it.

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thank you for proving this once again yourself.
thank you for showing once again that you are an attention-deprived kid
with nothing better to do with his life than to keep crapping out other views.
but if you want another further example of how mr. nessaja's reacts to a less than a warm reception to his posts, you can just look up his R/W post ... "Less comments please, this is overwhelming."
it seems you are already getting pissed when somebody argues with you.
but you already expected this in a public forum where you think respect shoudn't be taken too seriously right?

See, here you go again, you comment on me as a person while this topic is about a ward/mesmer, and you're wondering why I'm calling you an ignorant kid? Just for your information

-My heartbeat never goes above 100 when I'm on a public forum
-I DO enjoy discussing builds, which is the only reason why I'm on this forum

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didn't you just say yourself that your only purpose of being still here was because of me?. don't fool yourself, anyone can easily see that your reason for bumping this thread is not so that "more people can try it". you just can't let go of the fact that someone is pissing you off.
who is the one lying now?

I've never claimed that I'm bumping this topic is only so more people can try it, now don't twist my words around. I said that I would let this topic die if I really wanted people to move on.

But someone (read: you) makes direct comments about me as a person, and I do like to set that straight. As 1. they don't have any basis 2. they are blatant lies and far from the truth.

If I would say that you are a racist and adore hitler you would reply to me that that is not the truth aswell.

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you're really funny.
this coming from a guy who admits that his only reason for staying here is
because of me and my difference of opinion. shouldn't you be taking your own advice?

-I'm on this forum because I enjoy discussing builds
-I'm currently in this topic because someone is making personal comments about me.

And to put one myth out of this world:
- I have a Mesmer which I adore - I have all right to be on a mesmer forum

Now, let me challenge you and see if you can make a normal response on the points that I have made about the ward-mesmer, OR if you go on and make personal comments about me which are offtopic and have nothing to do with the discussion.

striderkaaru · Feb 03, 2006, 04:31 PM // 16:31

wow... you people need to chill out.

sartori · Feb 03, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

seriously...you guys should take this over to the vault and have it out there. you may even be able to gather an audience and fan clubs

nessaja, please dont take this the wrong way or write me back in a 10 page response (cause i will just skip it *chuckle*) but i think the main points they were trying to get at are these:

1. if someone has a Me/E and wants to run a ward build, telling them to go delete a current character, make an E/Me, power level to 20, and then come do it is not really helpful nor is it constructive

2. if you have a way to improve the given warding mesmer build, please help out

if not, play nice, post a 'better' ward build on the elementalist board, and most of us will go read it and praise you for making a cool build instead of getting on your case about flaming a perfectly good post until it is no longer readable.

i love these boards because there arent these consistant flame wars that seems to dominate the gwvaults boards. seems to me like everyone involved should just take a step back, realize you are becoming one of those people who fights on forums on the internet, and just chuckle to yourself instead of posting your next retort

-sartori

Nessaja · Feb 03, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

That's fair enough. On 1. however, I havent said that anyone should delete their character, and I did comment on seven that I didnt find his build good because it only focusses on the wards and not anything else.

Let me put first again that I don't think it's a good idea of a ward mesmer.

But let's say that some unknown power forces you to make a Ward/Mesmer. And this is untested currently, but a basic idea

What >I< would do is:

Guilt
Power Drain
Power Leak
Glyph of Elemental Power
Wards Against Melee
Wards Against Elements
Res Sig.
Mantra of Recall

I would really prefer to put illusion in there for a 20 rockmolder. Anyway, this should save you some attributes in earth 3 interrupts from which 2 give you energy, you might be able to pull it off without Mantra of Recall with Guild+ Power Drain, but like I said, I havent tested this yet.

Either way this is mana sufficient+interrupts

seven · Feb 03, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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What you don't understand is that there are TWO discussions going on here, one about the Ward-Mesmer build which is what this topic is about.

and where did exactly this started getting off topic? it was when one entered the fray with a class that is not the subject of this topic, and staying longafter.

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And another that is talking about me - one that you started and is completely offtopic. All the contradicting points that I have made are based on two discussions. If you want to talk about ME, this is not the place for it, if you wan to talk about the Mesmer build here is the place for it.

All you have done so far is making personal comments about ME, and that seems to be the only thing you do now. Not about the subject, you're going offtopic and you're insulting me.

I don't play that game and I will be the bigger man, I don't need to insult you to prove I'm right. I just want to notify you that that's not the way to discuss.

sure. labelling other builds that you personally don't think as effective for you as "crappy, terrible, and final" is being the bigger man and the proper way to discuss. don't start that with that attitude if you don't want it to be discussed either. you could have easily said it in a neutral tone without degrading words, but no you did not ... if you don't want to play this game, don't even start it.

don't like the way the discussion is turning out?
i believe it was you said this, which can be also replied back to you:
"that's your problem really."

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I've already said I was wrong there. I'm unsure why you bring it up again.

merely just countering your argument in which you were the one stating erroneus "facts".

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I did not come here with assumptions. I'm merely commenting on this build and taking part of a discussion.

you assumed about the ward duration.
you assumed about our countering of the ele warder.

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Why would I make a new topic, if the comments I made had to do with this topic.

because you were primarily stating the use of another class, which belongs in another forum.

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I've labeled YOUR build as crap, I've labeled a mesmer with a primary focus on wards as crap aswell. But I do not exclude having wards in your skillset, as long as you put 6 skills in your skillsets that you ARE effective with.

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I just think that a warder mesmer is a TERRIBLE build, and you can't seem to deal with that.

you typed that, you just keep contradicting yourself. not "your" mesmer warder, but "a mesmer warder". it's quite late for taking that statement back.

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The build you have posted is basically an Elemenalist build with a Mesmer being primary. That doesn't work. And yes, I merely mentioned it.

i thought you didn't say that "what doesn't work for you will not work on anyone else?" you didn't say it doesn't work for you, but rather generalized it as "it doesn't work". yet another contradiction to what you previously said.

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See, here you go again, you comment on me as a person while this topic is about a ward/mesmer, and you're wondering why I'm calling you an ignorant kid? Just for your information

-My heartbeat never goes above 100 when I'm on a public forum
-I DO enjoy discussing builds, which is the only reason why I'm on this forum

at first, you said that you were still here because of me.
then, you say this topic has already gone out of the build disscussion.
and now you say that you're only here in the forum for discussing builds?

since you have already stated that this has gone of of that category,
that would only mean that that is not your only reason for being here.

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I've never claimed that I'm bumping this topic is only so more people can try it, now don't twist my words around. I said that I would let this topic die if I really wanted people to move on.

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I keep bumping this post so more people can try it. Your points are without basis to the point were they are just made up lies.

what is there to twist?

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But someone (read: you) makes direct comments about me as a person, and I do like to set that straight. As 1. they don't have any basis 2. they are blatant lies and far from the truth.

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-I'm on this forum because I enjoy discussing builds
-I'm currently in this topic because someone is making personal comments about me.

i'm sorry if you ever felt bad about it. really, i am.

but what is there to say if your points clash with each other?
do understand this: do not expect any nice words when
you yourself do not find the presence of mind to use them.

if you cannot think highly of respect in this media, and always be a
high and mighty judge of all things "crap" before you,
expect them to be thrown back at you

The Real Roy Keane · Feb 03, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

A warder without Ward vs Foes? For shame! Anyway,i think the fact that seven seems to be in HoH in his picture suggests the build was,at the very least,adequate.

Nessaja · Feb 03, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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and where did exactly this started getting off topic? it was when one entered the fray with a class that is not the subject of this topic, and staying longafter.

That is COMPLETELY ontopic. I've said multiple times that you don't understand it and multiple times you said that you do understand it. You don't.

If there wasnt an elementalist primary that did it better, then that mesmer build would have been the best build to go with. At this moment, it's vastly inferior. You should not make a build that's inferior on ALL points, atleast bring skills that make you a more effective hybrid.

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sure. labelling other builds that you personally don't think as effective for you as "crappy, terrible, and final" is being the bigger man and the proper way to discuss. don't start that with that attitude if you don't want it to be discussed either. you could have easily said it in a neutral tone without degrading words, but no you did not ... if you don't want to play this game, don't even start it.

Let's keep this chronological. To my information you started it. And yes, I'm not a saint. Suprise suprise.

I have not made personal comments about you, and you have. You go offtopic, this can be because of several reasons but one might be because you can't win the argument - thus you start to comment on me, without basis.

I might be totally off there but I think that we can both conclude that 1. You don't discuss the build and 2. you only talk about me.

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don't like the way the discussion is turning out?
i believe it was you said this, which can be also replied back to you:
"that's your problem really."

I'd say I'm way ahead of you in the discussion about the build.

The "discussion" about me is just you making assumtpions about me.

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merely just countering your argument in which you were the one stating erroneus "facts".

And I've already taken it back and said I was wrong. It's about time you do the same.

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i thought you didn't say that "what doesn't work for you will not work on anyone else?" you didn't say it doesn't work for you, but rather generalized it as "it doesn't work". yet another contradiction to what you previously said. can't you make up your mind?

I've made up my mind perfectly actualy. I say, it doesn't work, this is my opinion, because I don't think it does work, or is effective. You can keep discussing this, but it has nothing to do with the subject. Wether I say something works or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

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at first, you said that you were still here because of me.
then, you say this topic has already gone out of the build disscussion.
and now you say that you're only here in the forum for discussing builds?

since you have already stated that this has gone of of that category,
that would only mean that that is not your only reason for being here.

At first, the only comments in this topic were a direct reaction to you. Now I've gone past that point as other people DO want to discuss the subject. Unlike you.

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what is there to twist? you just keep antagonizing yourself.

You took that out of context, I said "If anything - I keep bumping this post" I can take individual sentences from your post aswell, and put them together to make them look bad. That's what you're doing now. And that's twisting my words.

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i'm sorry if you ever felt bad about it. really, i am.

but what is there to say if your points clash with each other?
do understand this: do not expect any nice words when
you yourself do not find the presence of mind to use them.

if you cannot think highly of respect in this media, and always be a
high and mighty judge of all things "crap" before you,
expect them to be thrown back at you as well.

stop being judgemental and it shall also be done unto you.
granted, talking about the build and your method of judging is different, do not expect them to be ever separated. how you say things is just as important as what you say.

as you do not respect other views and label them as "crap", do not expect the same to be given to you, the message carrier as well.

There's a difference between you and me. I call your build crap, you call me crap. The first is heavy criticsm on a build, the second is insulting someone.

Granted, I have called you an ignorant kid but after all the comments you have made about me without basis I think I am entitled to that much.

All you are currently doing is trying to make this topic a flamewar.

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yes you do. what is not proper is the way you keep sticking your ele in. which was the very first thing you did.

Because it is relevant.

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kinda late for that don't you think? ever since you started with an opinionated comment, do not expect that you won't be addressed by your views as well.
how can you even set a challenge when your points keep contradicting themselves?

you have said yourself that forums are for the difference of opinions.
how can you force to set things "straight" when it is also a matter of personal views?

just don't expect nice words if you didn't give them in the first place.

I would like to remind you that you did in fact started it.

And also, I can set things straight when you comment about me. As I know me, and you don't have a clue who I am.

I don't expect nice words, I don't expect however, that you harass me because I called your build crap. And also - not only did I name your build crap, I gave proper arguments for it.

All you do is saying things without basis about me. That's an enormous difference, and if you can't comprehend that by now, then I don't think there is anything left to say.

Ofcourse I could start talking about you and your aspects - but yes, I do wish to be the bigger man here, and I don't feel like getting banned for participating in a flame war. I'd rather stop right here, right now.

sartori · Feb 03, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Nessaja

That's fair enough. On 1. however, I havent said that anyone should delete their character, and I did comment on seven that I didnt find his build good because it only focusses on the wards and not anything else.

Let me put first again that I don't think it's a good idea of a ward mesmer.

But let's say that some unknown power forces you to make a Ward/Mesmer. And this is untested currently, but a basic idea

What >I< would do is:

Guilt
Power Drain
Power Leak
Glyph of Elemental Power
Wards Against Melee
Wards Against Elements
Res Sig.
Mantra of Recall

I would really prefer to put illusion in there for a 20 rockmolder. Anyway, this should save you some attributes in earth 3 interrupts from which 2 give you energy, you might be able to pull it off without Mantra of Recall with Guild+ Power Drain, but like I said, I havent tested this yet.

Either way this is mana sufficient+interrupts

i tend to agree...i would probably run:

Some elite skill (heh, re-read ether lord and remembered why i never use it *laugh*)
Power Drain
Drain Enchantment
Spirit of Failure
Cry of Frustration
Wards Against Melee
Wards Against Elements
Res Sig

or something like that....its just off the top of my head so i may not remember cast/recast times properly. basically a build that drains, interrupts, and protects. hrm, maybe putting point into dom just for Cry wouldnt be right...i dunno, i would have to give it more thought but thats probably where i would begin.

Nessaja · Feb 03, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

You could also do - going by your build

Ether Lord
Power Drain
Drain Enchantment
Signet of Midnight {Elite}
Leech Signet
Wards Against Melee
Wards Against Elements
Res Sig

Seems quite a good idea. But like I said, I havent tested it in tombs or anything. Especially if you can make good use of the Drain Enchantment.

edit- does ether lord reach 4 energy with 16 in inspiration?, as of now it only gives a 4 netto energy which seems rather weak.

seven · Feb 03, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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That is COMPLETELY ontopic. I've said multiple times that you don't understand it and multiple times you said that you do understand it. You don't.

If there wasnt an elementalist primary that did it better, then that mesmer build would have been the best build to go with. At this moment, it's vastly inferior. You should not make a build that's inferior on ALL points, atleast bring skills that make you a more effective hybrid.

the purpose of the thread is to improve the mes warder. not to say on how other classes do it, and not even on how it is inferior. how you started it is offtopic. didn't you just say that you're not forcing anyone not to try it out? what's this "you should not make a build that's inferior on all points" then? it is such "high and mighty" statements such as these that will lead you eventually in conflict with others. do not be suprised if they will comment on your attitude, rather than your message. your arrogant attitude with previous comments such as these overpowers your message. so do not be surprised. expect to be judged on that as the same way you judge on the others' views.

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Let's keep this chronological. To my information you started it. And yes, I'm not a saint. Suprise suprise.

I have not made personal comments about you, and you have. You go offtopic, this can be because of several reasons but one might be because you can't win the argument - thus you start to comment on me, without basis.

I might be totally off there but I think that we can both conclude that 1. You don't discuss the build and 2. you only talk about me.

nor am i a saint.

comments made to you are just based on your incoherent statements.
what is the argument to be won? that your ele does it better?
you already won that. what's the purpose of bringing that up?
do you want to gloat over it again?

actually we were trying to discuss it just as well before you stormed in.
i'm sorry, i am guilty of not giving much attention to it ever since someone just barged in and says that the whole idea of a meswarder is crap.
who is now backtracking and just says my particular build of meswarder was crap. it's just quite fun arguing with someone who just can't leave a thread alone in peace.

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but as to update the others, i've have already tried the ones using the mantra of recovery:

for me personally, it worked so-so. i kept missing my mantra of resolve with the mulitiple CoFs in the area. also, not having recall drained up my reserves a bit. but unlike some people here, i wouldn't label it as crap; just because it didn't go well with my playstyle.

the two interrupt build that avarre mentioned ealier has already replaced my old warder skillset. i still favored CoF due to its multiple effect when they mostly bunch up together, and ability to counter non-spells. at first i thought about p.drain, but since the energy was quite full with recall, i opted for spike instead. and yes, i still kept ether feast, as we still bump into emergencies every now and then.

i have yet to try the ward of foes as was mentioned earlier, as with your last
suggestion Nessaja. i have yet to try them, in a few hours maybe.

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And I've already taken it back and said I was wrong. It's about time you do the same.

then isn't it time you stopped using your argument about erroneous facts?

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I would like to remind you that you did in fact started it.

And also, I can set things straight when you comment about me. As I know me, and you don't have a clue who I am.

I don't expect nice words, I don't expect however, that you harass me because I called your build crap. And also - not only did I name your build crap, I gave proper arguments for it.

All you do is saying things without basis about me. That's an enormous difference, and if you can't comprehend that by now, then I don't think there is anything left to say.

well, expect it from now on then. realize that not all people just turns the other cheek around, not everyone throws bread back when thrown a stone. realize that not everyone will just take in crap, without throwing it back with a little extra added.

as you are entitled to your own personal opinions, other people have them as
privileges as well. whatever "proper" arguments might seem to you, might as well be incoherent, contradicting points for someone else; and you can't change that other view.

when that comes the only thing left to do is agree to disagree.

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At first, the only comments in this topic were a direct reaction to you. Now I've gone past that point as other people DO want to discuss the subject. Unlike you.

yes, i do admit that my posts are still a direct reaction to you.
however, with all these counter statements are based and quoted on me, so you obviously haven't gotten past that point yet.

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I've made up my mind perfectly actualy. I say, it doesn't work, this is my opinion, because I don't think it does work, or is effective. You can keep discussing this, but it has nothing to do with the subject. Wether I say something works or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

well, in a way it has something to do with this.
if you could have only worded it like that way before ... simply and cleanly,
and emphasizing that is only "your" personal view and not generalizing it as "final" for everyone else ... without "crap" or "terrible" it would have made a huge difference with the flow of this thread.

you might not think it makes any much of a difference, but really, just wording a simple statement without degratory remarks will work wonders for you. do you think it would have went like this if you only said things with proper respect?

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Ofcourse I could start talking about you and your aspects - but yes, I do wish to be the bigger man here, and I don't feel like getting banned for participating in a flame war. I'd rather stop right here, right now.

very well then, let's be civil about it.
as i have said in a previous post; if you'll stop, i'll stop.

seven · Feb 03, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

nessaja:

are you referring to the regen rate of ether lord?
it only stays at +3 at insp 16 if i remember correctly.

satori:

same opinion here. i only used CoF to do a massed interrupt,
most of the times when they bunch up together.
i didn't bother bother putting points in domi as well.

however, since i began using spike over p drain more, i'm now quite torn beetween putting more pts. into it or just concentrating on earth and insp.

Nessaja · Feb 03, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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the purpose of the thread is to improve the mes warder. not to say on how other classes do it, and not even on how it is inferior. how you started it is offtopic. didn't you just say that you're not forcing anyone not to try it out? what's this "you should not make a build that's inferior on all points" then? it is such "high and mighty" statements such as these that will lead you eventually in conflict with others. do not be suprised if they will comment on your attitude, rather than your message. your arrogant attitude with previous comments such as these overpowers your message. so do not be surprised. expect to be judged on that as the same way you judge on the others' views.

I seriously feel that you are currently whining just to whine. I'm clear in my statements, and I feel strongly about them. If you can't put "in your opinion" behind it in your head then that's your problem, really. I'm not forcing anyone, I do find everyone that does do it ( it being making a build that is inferior on all points) is rather stupid. And if you can't deal with comments like that it is your problem. I'm not going to change the way I word things because someone on a forum cant deal with it.

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nor am i a saint.

amen

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comments made to you are just based on your incoherent statements.
what is the argument to be won? that your ele does it better?
you already won that. what's the purpose of bringing that up?
do you want to gloat over it again?

To my knowledge, the only real argument is wether the build you posted at first is an effective build that you should advocate to use. Not that elementalists ward better, and in general, if you should play with a build that is inferior on all points.

The main point that I did make with what I said is that you went offtopic, and started to comment about me for an unknown reason.

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actually we were trying to discuss it just as well before you stormed in.
i'm sorry, i am guilty of not giving much attention to it ever since someone just barged in and says that the whole idea of a meswarder is crap.
who is now backtracking and just says my particular build of meswarder was crap. it's just quite fun arguing with someone who just can't leave a thread alone in peace.

And a meswarder IS crap if it is your primary focus. Sorry to break your heart. If you want your primary focus to be warding, then don't go mesmer primary. If you want to be a hybrid with warding and something a mesmer does good then it can be effective, but not a build I'd like.

Oh and please, in your head put "in your opinion" behind that. It should be rather obvious that everything >I< say is my opinion, unless you're talking about facts/statistics.

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then isn't it time you stopped using your argument about erroneous facts?

I don't believe you've taken back any word you have said about me.

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well, expect it from now on then. realize that not all people just turns the other cheek around, not everyone throws bread back when thrown a stone. realize that not everyone will just take in crap, without throwing it back with a little extra added.

I could flame you to death with the numerous of stupid comments you have made. They aren't in short supply. However, as 1. It's forbidden to do so, and 2.this isn't the topic to talk about that, I don't do so, and I suggest that you do the same.

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as you are entitled to your own personal opinions, other people have them as
privileges as well. whatever "proper" arguments might seem to you, might as well be incoherent, contradicting points for someone else; and you can't change that other view.

There are golden rules of discussion, we learned them in the 5th grade. Personal comments have nothing to do with a discussion, and if you take your time and think about it, even if I were a terrorist that is about to do a suicide attack on the white house, that still doesn't have anything to do with wether I'm wrong, or right on my opinion, about your crappy mesmer build.

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yes, i do admit that my posts are still a direct reaction to you.
however, with all these counter statements are based and quoted on me, so you obviously haven't gotten past that point yet.

So who started this? Me by saying something ontopic, or you who said things like:

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take your "1 am uber l33t ward3r 3l3m3ntist. all oth3r ward3rs ar3 inf3rior" reasoning back to the ele forums, we certainly don't need your kind here at the mesmer pages.

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not an ele warder, mesmer. m-e-s-m-e-r.
simple is spelled as s-i-m-p-l-e.

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good grief, just when i thought you couldn't get any more denser.

It is, in fact, you who started it.

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well, in a way it has something to do with this.
if you could have only worded it like that way before ... simply and cleanly,
and emphasizing that is only "your" personal view and not generalizing it as "final" for everyone else ... without "crap" or "terrible" it would have made a huge difference with the flow of this thread.

I'll reword it right now. The build you posted was crap. Now, go cry

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you might not think it makes any much of a difference, but really, just wording a simple statement without degratory remarks will work wonders for you. do you think it would have went like this if you only said things with proper respect?

I'm on the point that I really don't care anymore. The build you posted was crap. Final, finitio, factual statement omfg, bbq.

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very well then, let's be civil about it.
as i have said in a previous post; if you'll stop, i'll stop.

then you can wait long, I don't care anymore. Skipping over your posts you have already said enough; your disrespectful behavior and your forum mask, which is, to say the least; crap, a word you like.

- I don't care if you find me arrogant, and I'm sick an tired to argue over it.
- The first mesmer build you posted was crap, and an elementalist does that better.
- I honestly don't even care about anything that you think, you've already proven to be an unfriendly, unkind, stuck up person.
- The way you tried to constantly analyse me only shows how thick headed you are

I tried to be competent in my posts towards you, as you obviously don't have much of an idea what you're talking about, but as you lack that, and you're basically not worth it, that ends now.

Consider your future posts ignored untill you show some proper behaviour.

NinjaKai · Feb 04, 2006, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Is it me or does Nessaja seem to be doing more bitching than the bakers wife with a stick of french bread crammed up her ass.

seven · Feb 04, 2006, 08:30 AM // 08:30

hahahah. you're really funny nessaja.

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"but yes, I do wish to be the bigger man here, and I don't feel like getting banned for participating in a flame war. I'd rather stop right here, right now.being the bigger person"

you just said that a little while ago.
you're not stopping.
and it looks like you have no intention of stopping.

you are going against yourself. yet again.

that's not surprising at this point.
you obviously can't become the bigger person, because you're not.
you obviously can't stand someone opposing you,
when you yourself have implied that it is a natural thing in a forum.

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I don't believe you've taken back any word you have said about me.

how can i? you said you'll be the bigger person and stop, but you're not stopping. what more proof do people need to see of your inconsistency?

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I could flame you to death with the numerous of stupid comments you have made. They aren't in short supply. However, as 1. It's forbidden to do so, and 2.this isn't the topic to talk about that, I don't do so, and I suggest that you do the same.

you're too late. no one believes there is no flame beetween now.

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then you can wait long, I don't care anymore. Skipping over your posts you have already said enough; your disrespectful behavior and your forum mask, which is, to say the least; crap, a word you like.

- I don't care if you find me arrogant, and I'm sick an tired to argue over it.
- The first mesmer build you posted was crap, and an elementalist does that better.
- I honestly don't even care about anything that you think, you've already proven to be an unfriendly, unkind, stuck up person.
- The way you tried to constantly analyse me only shows how thick headed you are

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So who started this? Me by saying something ontopic, or you who said things like:

if you don't care about what we think, why do you even argue about it and try to disprove it?
you said that you're only posting here to set things straight about the comments i made about you.
someone who doesn't care just leaves.
so you obviously do care what we think.
you wouldn't keep quoting and presenting counter statements if you really didn't care.

you are opposing your own statements again and again.

don't expect any nice welcomes when your very intro is offtopic. don't expect
any friendly words, when you just can't seem to understand proper places to start with.

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And a meswarder IS crap if it is your primary focus. Sorry to break your heart. If you want your primary focus to be warding, then don't go mesmer primary. If you want to be a hybrid with warding and something a mesmer does good then it can be effective, but not a build I'd like.

you have said that a meswarder is crap. not only mine, but the whole idea of a focused warding mes is. rewording your older posts won't save your face.

the title is simple, "Wards Mes in Primevial Tombs"
not a hybrid wards mes, but a wards mes.

referring to another warder class, while calling the while calling this idea
as "doesn't make sense" or "inferior on all pts", is granted unto you since that's your own personal opinion.

however, repeating it over and over is already insulting, and goes beyond the
initial purpose of stating your own view. as such, it warrants a similar response. do not expect clean and nice discussions if you don't have the decency to start one in the first place.

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Oh and please, in your head put "in your opinion" behind that. It should be rather obvious that everything >I< say is my opinion, unless you're talking about facts/statistics.

you also said this...

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The build you posted was crap. Final, finitio, factual statement omfg, bbq.

an opinionated response that tries so hard to be a factual statement.
you did not say that "if something doesn't work for you, that does not mean it won't on others too" right?

why are you trying to mask your own views as "facts for all" then?
while clearly everything you say is just your opinion,
it is also clear from your statements that you want to force your own opinions on other people.

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I tried to be competent in my posts towards you, as you obviously don't have much of an idea what you're talking about, but as you lack that, and you're basically not worth it, that ends now.

Consider your future posts ignored untill you show some proper behaviour.

you obviously can't stop ignoring my posts,
your direct quotations and counter staments is proof enough of that.
you are indeed pissed at me for not bowing down to your contradictory views
you obviously opposed yourself yet again in that you can't be the bigger person yet.

how about actually proving this new statement of yours by actually ignoring this and not replying about it? will you actually do it?

prove it. ignore this and become the bigger and better person like you said you would.

M C H A M M E R · Feb 06, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

get a 20% earth pommel ^_^

azunder · Feb 06, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

It might be better to just post an ele warder build and compare it to the mesmer warder builds here instead of just flaming each other. Stop posting elaborate personal attacks, it just smothers the actual topic.

While yes, an ele can ward better than a mesmer, the question is how much the difference in quality will matter. The main difference I see is that an ele gets to keep the wards up for three seconds longer than a mesmer and beat the cooldown so there's no downtime with the wards.

On the other hand, a warder mesmer will have a 2 sec downtime unless he utilizes crap like echo or mantra of recovery. Going this route though doesn't seem great. You'll be too much skill slots, energy and time to basically get a few more seconds over coverage.

Or, you could make do with the 2 second downtime and spend the uptime with the wards doing whatever mesmery stuff you need to do. The problem is that you might not have any attribute points left for domination or illusion to do that mesmery stuff. And, if you did invest in both earth and dom/illu you won't have any points left for energy management skills in inspiration. So, another question would be if you can be useful without inspiration for energy management(OR, if you could be useful with only inspiration+earth).

To sum it up:
-do those 2 seconds of downtime matter enough?
-can you be useful without inspiration magic to fuel both the wards and mesmery stuff?
-if you went with earth+inspiration (which an ele can do), does the ele's advantage matter that much?