Curse

Lord Sabir · Jan 31, 2006, 04:51 AM // 04:51

Healing Prayers: 16
Divine Favor: 13

Word of healing {E}
Healing Breeze
Divine Intervention
Rebirth
Heal Other
Mend Ailment
Signet of Devotion
Heal Party

Thoughts? Any tips on energy saving/gaining would be appreciated, though I intend to try the Life Bond + Balthazar's Spirit combo later.

Age · Feb 01, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

You may want to add some points in protection for mend ailment and rebirth other wise use cop or vigorous spirit.you may want to drop heal pary as well as other as you already have word in.You may want to use restore life instead.

holden · Feb 01, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11

heal party is a waste as it will heal party members if they need it or not.
sig of devotion is slow at 2 seconds. when your other heals are 1/4 second to 1 second, 2 is a big deal. your team can live or die in 2 seconds time.
breeze isn't all that efficient either. cost 10 energy for a so so heal over time.

try and use spells/skills that cost 5 energy. healing touch for yourself. dwayna's kiss and orison for the party. word of heal is ok in there.
i'd keep attributes where they are if you want to heal. mend ailment does a great job if it heals or not and you don't use any other prot skills.
i don't think you need divine intervention.

TheSonofDarwin · Feb 02, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by holden

heal party is a waste as it will heal party members if they need it or not.

Heal Party is not a waste, but it is definately area dependent whether you should take it or not. Areas with high, powerful AoE damage that is typically going to hit many group members at once make Heal Party very handy (like Dryders/Mez in the new UW) - plus if things get heated, it allows you to stay back far and still keep your team alive.. for a limited time. But you must use it at the right times or your energy is going to be low the entire battle since you don't have OoB.

If you are keeping Heal Party depending on your area, I typically accompany it with Signet of Devotion for further energy management as long as you don't try to use it as a life-saving heal. Use it to keep only minorly injured (50%hp or higher) healed.

I've never had much luck with Divine Intervention. It's always been my thought that if I let the person get into the situation where they are going to need a lifesaving spell that I am probably out of or very low on energy in the first place (especially since you have Word of Healing) so it'd be more or less a wasted spot. Really depends on your energy management and healing style in that case. In this case, since you do not have healing touch (how do you expect to heal yourself besides with healing breeze/signet, both of which are time dependent on their healing?) I'd switch out Divine Inter. for Healing Touch.

Other than that - seems ok, as long as you keep in mind your spells many times should be area influenced, like bring a hex remover when hexes are more abundant than conditions, or not bringing breeze when there are alot of shatterers or Mursaat towers.

Old Dood · Feb 02, 2006, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by Lord Sabir

Healing Prayers: 16
Divine Favor: 13

Word of healing {E}
Healing Breeze
Divine Intervention
Rebirth
Heal Other
Mend Ailment
Signet of Devotion
Heal Party

Thoughts? Any tips on energy saving/gaining would be appreciated, though I intend to try the Life Bond + Balthazar's Spirit combo later.

I never use Rebirth as a Monk. I have a Warrior bring that one. They do not need the energy as much as a monk so they can take the mana hit for it. I like Restore Life...it gets you back on your feet better and you can move on the the next dead player. I also use Word Of Healing after I rez to top you off.

Also I agree Heal Party is not my favorite. It just doesn't have enough kick healing wise for the amount of mana it uses. Divine Healing is better, however, shorter distance...that is it's draw back.

Always...Always...have Healing Touch for YOU. It is even great for another caster standing right next too you.

Compound these spells with Divine Boon (Since your Divine Favor is high) and you will get a extra heal kick for all your monk spells. Think about it...even using Mend Aliment on someone that doesn't have a condition with Boon you will still get a heal off. That is nice while you are waiting for other spells to regen.

cerb · Feb 02, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

The build is a little heavy in energy... I don't think you really need divine intervention with word of healing AND heal other.

Heal party is good in certain places (such as the new Tombs), but not in a place like Sorrow's Furnace.

You might want to get rid of Breeze unless there's hard degen (SF :P), and use Dwayna's Kiss if you are playing with a bonder or if you are against many hexes.

I honestly think WoE + Heal Other + Breeze + Divine Intervention + Signet of Devotion is overkill. You really need some sort of energy management, perhaps use Essence Bond (Balts Spirit & Life Bond = Bonder, do not use that with a healing build). Like above post, you need some kind of self-healing, and Healing Touch would do a great job, and so would Divine Boon.

But then you would need Energy Tap, Chanelling or something similar.

P-S: You could use a Sup Divine and a Sup Healing for 15/16 stats.

Jasso · Feb 02, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

I have been using boon healer lately in pve and it seems very solid.

Mo/N

Blood - 10
DF - 11+4
Healing - 10+1

Orison - Normal healing
Dwayna's Kiss - Normal healing + some extra from hexes/enchants
Heal Other - Awesome healing capacity, mostly for emergencies
Healing Touch - Self Heal
* Whatever
Divine Boon
Offering of Blood {E} - Energy
Rebirth

I'm using collectors blood staff and wand + 20/20 healing focus. Seems to work for my needs

Reverend Jekyll · Feb 02, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

For low energy heals the build I use is:

Healing Prayers: 16
Divine Favor: 13

Dwayna's Kiss
Word of Healing {E}
Healing Breeze
Orison of Healing
Mend Ailment
Healing Touch
Rebirth
-Open- (formerly cap sig, most days I carry Restore Life for combat res)

The benefit to this build is that almost everything is 5 energy. You have condition removal and room for hex removal as well. This build works well if you have either a prot healer or prot henchie running with you.

Dwayna's Kiss and Healing Touch are highly underrated Monk skills. Most of your teammates are going to be running with Enchants and at some point they will be hexed as well. The supplemental bonus from DK can often make up for it's low initial heal. Touch is your self heal, much more efficient than casting Orison on yourself. Leave Orison for when DK and WoH are recharging, the incremental heal can often be the difference between life and death for your teammate. Aside from that it's one of the other self heals you have at your disposal.

You can run this build with 50 energy and continue healing through almost any fight. Due to the low energy cost of most of your spells you can even keep healing from 0 energy, provided you aren't up against spike damage.

Finally, I can't stress enough that this build works best as part of a pair of healers, the other monk (or e/mo) going protection. It's entirely possible to solo-monk up to a group of 6, but it's not easy.

sno · Feb 02, 2006, 06:02 PM // 18:02

none of these builds you guys are listing have any energy management... Channelling is great for heal builds, especially in places with lots of enemies.

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P-S: You could use a Sup Divine and a Sup Healing for 15/16 stats.

Not a great idea with a heal build, as the sup divine won't help enough to warrant the -75hp. Unless you're sure you won't be getting hit ever (which is not the case in large parties (4+ people)) you don't want to be carrying such low hp, or you'll be dead. Being dead generally isn't the best idea for a heal monk. It's tough on the energy

Rhuobhe · Feb 02, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by sno

none of these builds you guys are listing have any energy management... Channelling is great for heal builds, especially in places with lots of enemies.

How far away do enemies need to be in order to channel from them? IIRC it's not very far, and as a monk you would want to be away from the action

One classic build that I always liked revolves around:

Devine Boon
Devine Spirit
Glyph of Renewal

The other 5 should be 5 energy spells, like mend alignment, reversal, and the standard healing spells. (you pick what you want)

At devine favor 15, Devine spirit lasts for 14 seconds. With a 20% enchant mod, you have an extra 3 seconds or so (lets round down and say it's only 16 seconds)

At 15 DF, your boon adds 70 to all heals.

The trick is: Use Glyph followed by Devine Spirit. DS recharges instantly and lasts 16 seconds. As soon as Glyph is recharged, use it and recast Devine Spirit.

If you do it right, your Devine Spirits will overlap, meaning each subsiquent DS will only cost 5 or 7 enegy (because of boon - I think it kicks in but not sure)

While Devine Spirit is up, if you have even 0 in protection, casting Mend Alignment will heal for 70+45=115 Health +5 health per remaining condition. And this only costs 3 energy

Imagine what this does when you're using REAL healing spells

I hope you like.

holden · Feb 02, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by sno

none of these builds you guys are listing have any energy management... Channelling is great for heal builds, especially in places with lots of enemies.

sabir never gave his secondary. hard to tell him about energy managment without knowing.

i agree that channeling would be great to spam heals or RoF/gaurdian with.

i run a mo/necro

healing touch
orison of healing
dwayna's
mend ailment
heal other
vigorous spirit
rebirth/holy veil/mend condition
Offering of Blood

i wouldn't take divine boon with a healing build. unless you can be very patient you'll waste a lot of heal.

at only 9 in my blood line i get 15 from offering of blood. net 10 energy every 15 seconds. it's a 1/4 second cast time. it's bitchen.

sno is right, if you don't now, eventually you'll need some form of energy management.

imo Heal Party is a waste. it cost 15 energy, takes 2 seconds to cast and only heals each member 67. yes yes divine helps with the heal but it still cost 15 energy and you only have 45-50. there's no recharge for heal party, what if you fatfinger it and spend another 15? you can spam orison and dwayna's kiss to get better results and they only cost 5 energy each. if everyone in the party needs healed at once some fool aggroed too much and you're in deep shite anyway. sig of devotion also takes 2 seconds to cast. it's a good heal when you don't have energy but if you don't have energy your problems are bigger than needing an 80 point heal. it's just my opinion but i don't think a monk should have anything to do with a 2 second cast in the middle of a fight.

you wouldn't want a warrior to stop swinging his weapon for 2 seconds.

Yamat · Feb 02, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by sno

none of these builds you guys are listing have any energy management...

You don't need it in PvE.

This was posted a long time ago by Ensign... a great build, and one I've been using for months:

Healing 16
DF 13
Protection 4

WoH (spam spell)
OoH (used when WoH still recharging and need insta-fix)
Breeze (cover degens with this)
Other (need super-heal and WoH recharging)
Party (one of the best heals in the game)
Seed (tanks love you)
Sig of Dev (use when you want to do a small top-up heal on someone)
Rebirth (every PvE monk should have this spell. Period)

Try it... you might like it.

And while a boon-prot is a nice combo, it doesn't replace a dedicated healer in efficiency.

Celain · Feb 02, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Mo/Me

Word of Healing {E}
Dwayna's Kiss
Healing Touch
Orison of Healing/Heal Party
Divine Boon
Mend Ailment
Remove Hex
Restore Life

Can't remember the attribute point spread atm, but WoH + boon hits for 260ish when under 50%. For 7 energy. Yum.

Healing Touch is used as a self heal as mentioned above. Orison/DK's is just used while WoE refreshes. Healing doesn't start until party member is under 50%, to maximize energy efficiency.

Heal party is highly situational, but in those situations it's fantastic. Best used with another healer picking up individual damage spikes. Party of 8 with everyone damaged to at least 75% or less = 536 in health gain, or 36 health per energy spent. It's no WoH + boon, but it's not too shabby.

Even though I'm /Me, you'll notice no energy gain. The only time I've ran out of energy is when fairly big mistakes were made by the group (The Wa/Mo charging 3 groups yet again...) or really terrible luck (There's no way those 2 groups over there will aggro us while we fight.... Uh oh...). One thing I have noticed, is most healing monks that have energy problems heal waaaay to early.

Many of the Mesmer energy gain skills just don't seem to be too useful to me. Either they suffer from long casting times, or they don't function well when paired with a healing monk (Channeling requires you to be in the thick of things). The standard /N method involves another elite, taking WoH out of the picture.

Should mention that I play strictly PVE right now. =P

edit: WoE's to WoH's. Thanks Rhuobhe. =)
edit2: Clarified the WoH for 260ish bit, also fixed the energy cost. What I get for trying to write this while working.

Rhuobhe · Feb 02, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

You keep saying WoE, but I think you mean Word of Healing, right? (WoH)

At 16, WoH heals for 190 + DF bonus, so at 12 DF and 16 Healing, you're healing for 226, very nice, but no 260

Also, mesmers have a lot of useful skills, particularly in insperation.

Mantra of Resolve is one of my favorites.

Celain · Feb 02, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhuobhe

You keep saying WoE, but I think you mean Word of Healing, right? (WoH)

At 16, WoH heals for 190 + DF bonus, so at 12 DF and 16 Healing, you're healing for 226, very nice, but no 260

Also, mesmers have a lot of useful skills, particularly in insperation.

Mantra of Resolve is one of my favorites.

Correct about WoH. Think I got the elite part stuck in my head. Oops.

Divine Boon adds 61 at 12 DF, however I left off the 2 energy cost, didn't I? 'Nother edit incomming... =/

Rhuobhe · Feb 02, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Ah ok, missed the devine boon part.

holden · Feb 02, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamat

You don't need it in PvE.

This was posted a long time ago by Ensign... a great build, and one I've been using for months:

Healing 16
DF 13
Protection 4

WoH (spam spell)
OoH (used when WoH still recharging and need insta-fix)
Breeze (cover degens with this)
Other (need super-heal and WoH recharging)
Party (one of the best heals in the game)
Seed (tanks love you)
Sig of Dev (use when you want to do a small top-up heal on someone)
Rebirth (every PvE monk should have this spell. Period)

Try it... you might like it.

And while a boon-prot is a nice combo, it doesn't replace a dedicated healer in efficiency.

thats crazy.

breeze-10 energy
heal other -10 energy
heal party-15 energy
seed-10 energy

thats all of your energy. he may have used that build at one time but i doubt he does now.

Celain · Feb 02, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhuobhe

Ah ok, missed the devine boon part.

Yeah, it wasn't very clear in that first draft. Fixed now though!

kvndoom · Feb 02, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Divine Boon is possibly the most important and misunderstood spell a healer has access to. To not bring it is a monumental error.

To understand its power, you need to look at 3 numbers:

5 energy
1/4 second cast time
1 sec recharge

Compare those numbers to ANY other maintained enchant out there. Nothing else even comes close.

Everybody sees "+2 energy" and cries and runs away, but that's the wrong perspective. DB is not meant to be a long-term enchantment. It's meant to be cast VERY quickly, almost impossible to interrupt, for a LOW energy cost, whenever needed. If your party's in trouble:

BAM! cast Divine Boon
BAM! heal party members for an extra 60 health per cast
BAM! drop the enchant when you're done and everybody's back up to speed

Low casting cost, near-instant cast time, immediate recharge, this spell is made for maximizing healing spikes, not maintaining the entire mission.

Yamat · Feb 02, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by holden

thats crazy.

breeze-10 energy
heal other -10 energy
heal party-15 energy
seed-10 energy

thats all of your energy. he may have used that build at one time but i doubt he does now.

You didn't read my post properly... you don't spam 10/15 energy skills, you spam WoH. The energy intensive ones are all situation skills.