Curse

Dmitri3 · Jan 19, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Id like it if you presented some sort of evidence that these things are bad, and that i should replace them. Its funy, i kinda thought that ~25 to the enemy most everytime they attack you was pretty good, aside from the evasion i mean. Seems like a great skill to me.

I would appreciate it if you told me how things are better, and not just that they are.

25 damage is good? Uninstall plz...
Useless build, in any way.

Better? Any well managed build would be better. If you want to take out the warriors, go as a mesmer and/or necro. Blind on ranger is good, but isn't enough.

BBoy_Manchild · Jan 19, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Savio

The second I see Glad Defense with my Warrior, I go wander off to some other target. You're going about it all wrong, as good Warriors will ignore you and bad Warriors don't take much to kill.

You should try using Traps and Pin Down to take down Warriors. Basically, if the Warriors can never catch up to you, you're not going to get hit. After that, look for ways to make your Ranger do damage with a bow or some other way, because there isn't much of a point being a Ranger if you're just going to use Warrior skills.

hmmmm... i love when people use defensive stances (especially casters) making people do sit up with irresistable blow is fun. plus distortion is 1000x more intertaining, with me with a constant 11 second tigers fury and my pet call of haste thats alot of sit ups and burned energy, good times good times

Hell Marauder · Jan 19, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Dmitri3

25 damage is good? Uninstall plz...
Useless build, in any way.

Well, damage can definitely go higher than 25. OP should add these skills to boost damage: Severe artery and pure strike. With plenty of energy to spam Seeking Blade and Pure Strike (35~50 damage on 12 swordmanship, tested on minotaurs which have similar AL as warriors), plus Apply Poison and Sever Artery for nice degen (+14 dps), you are looking at a pretty good damage output, comparable to a sword warrior. But then again, not many warriors nowadays want to use swords in pvp.

The problem is, like many people have pointed out, it has very limited use in pvp, and degen can be nullified by monks or passed back to you by anyone with plaque touch. So find a way to bring a trap and take a few ranger snares in place of stances will make it a little more useful.

Kurow · Jan 19, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by Dmitri3

25 damage is good? Uninstall plz...
Useless build, in any way.

Better? Any well managed build would be better. If you want to take out the warriors, go as a mesmer and/or necro. Blind on ranger is good, but isn't enough.

Jesus i wish people like you would stop posting, you dont offer any advice, just say stupid shit like that. What is bad about 25 damage every time the enemy attacks? stacked on top of your attacks? From what i have seen, it kicks ass. Now im assuming you have never even used this skill. Prove me wrong?

OFFER SOME ADVICE OF HELP ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS MELEE R/W. Not tell me to make a different build. Im not looking for that. Im looking for advice on what would make this build better at doing what its supposed to do, kill warriors in melee. Now can someone please offer some real help?

And also, everything has a counter, duh, and every specialized build has limited use in pvp. Thats why its specialized.

Dmitri3 · Jan 20, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Jesus i wish people like you would stop posting, you dont offer any advice, just say stupid shit like that. What is bad about 25 damage every time the enemy attacks? stacked on top of your attacks? From what i have seen, it kicks ass. Now im assuming you have never even used this skill. Prove me wrong?

OFFER SOME ADVICE OF HELP ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS MELEE R/W. Not tell me to make a different build. Im not looking for that. Im looking for advice on what would make this build better at doing what its supposed to do, kill warriors in melee. Now can someone please offer some real help?

And also, everything has a counter, duh, and every specialized build has limited use in pvp. Thats why its specialized.

I wish people like you stop being *cut so I don't get banned* and insisting that their build rocks even though every1 tells them the contrary.

Improve this R/W? Go as damage dealing (thumper maybe?), or ViM conditions.

As for your specialisation... it simply sucks because it doesn't counter anything and does minimal damage by itself. And it can be countered... without any skill (or skills) at all.
Prove me the contrary.

Xiaxhou of Trinity · Jan 21, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

W0o00o0 feel sorry for you Kurow lol. Well your point on specialized builds maybe be taken, but not taken well. It's a nice build but just too specialized. Now you're 'annoying the hell' outta the warriors so they'll turn on you might be an alright technique, except a sufficient monk should be able to keep the warrior from worrying from your conditions. Well basically, the main point that you designed this was for a defensive anti-war (obviously lol). If I were you, and since you want a close ranged ranger, I would go with the Greater Conflag combo (Greater Conflag-Elite, and Drakescale armor) Then whirling defense and for healing you could stick with your sig or you could throw in troll (I like regen, but up to you) Now, that leaves you with four skill slots. I would go with savage slash, hamstring, seeking blade, and Galrath Slash. The first three are energy based, but I threw in GS, just in case you might have energy problems (since you are without druid's) It's an ok build IMO, but you might want to make something else from this, untested see.

Kurow · Jan 22, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Dmitri3

I wish people like you stop being *cut so I don't get banned* and insisting that their build rocks even though every1 tells them the contrary.

Improve this R/W? Go as damage dealing (thumper maybe?), or ViM conditions.

As for your specialisation... it simply sucks because it doesn't counter anything and does minimal damage by itself. And it can be countered... without any skill (or skills) at all.
Prove me the contrary.

My proof is my experience, i have taken down multuple warriors at the same time with this build. I know it does what its supposed to do, and really, if you dont like the idea of my build, dont post about it, let it sink back. I know my build works, all you people say is that good warriors dont attack rangers, etc, etc. Ive used this build, and it has been very rare that warriors havent attacked me, and every time they did, they died without me losing more than 100 life.

Im not saying my guild rocks, im saying it does what it is supposed to do. Psh "doesnt counter anything", does "anti-warrior" mean anything to you? Have you even looked at the skills? Gladiators defence? Deadly riposte? Hello? Have any of you tried using it yet? Please, tell me if you do, and how it works. You act as if you are an expert at it, yet i doubt you have even tried it.

Please, once you try using it, and attacking warriors, tell me how it works. I take the advice that is useful, not the advice that is "change to dps omgomgomg".

Druids Arrow · Jan 22, 2006, 09:40 AM // 09:40

I like it. It seems a very well thought out build, I tried it and it works very well against warriors, however, it does focus on you being attacked, and Rangers are often the last to be attacked. But Apply Poison does get their attention

Edit - As soon as I used Gladiator's Defence and Deadly Riposte, I didn't see any warriors stop attacking, so they effectively killed themselves.

Xiaxhou of Trinity · Jan 23, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Well then I guess no question about it and your build works Kurow. As for me, I just like dealing dmg in a very direct way.

Dmitri3 · Jan 23, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by Druids Arrow

Edit - As soon as I used Gladiator's Defence and Deadly Riposte, I didn't see any warriors stop attacking, so they effectively killed themselves.

Let me guess... were they all w/mos with mendings?

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Kurow, and yes, I tested these skills as well... doesn't do what it is supposed to do against smart opponent. And if you have a good team - dropping dumb opponents isn't a problem.

Ninjutsu Honor Code · Jan 23, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

I think your build will work out great while farming griffons aswell, you just found your way as a melee ranger others might disagree with you because its lacking in their point of view (wich could be true), but its not the build that fights there, its your resamblance so I think the one wich tought up the build (You), will always be better while using it instead of others. Its good to specialize in those situations. You might consider using riposte aswell since it has some great damage dealing and can be a life saver if needed just a tip

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ghostlyranger · Jan 23, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

[QUOTE=Dmitri3]Let me guess... were they all w/mos with mendings?

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haha, and they must in the random 4 arena.

Druids Arrow · Jan 23, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Dmitri3 - Seriously though how did you guess?

Ninjutsu - I have to admit when I think of a Ranger I think of the bow hence the Range in Ranger. However, as Kurow has proven melee Ranger's can be just as effective, if not more adaptable depending on the situation at the time.

Xiaxhou of Trinity · Jan 28, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Yes Kurow has proven this. His build works great in protecting casters and assasinating warriors (or even opposing casters). Good job Kurow!